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That's funny even Kjathena and Danny have dropped this scenario, of should I say the big two since, there are only two viable companies left out there, and maybe pocket songs, trying to enforce now defunct trademarks. If SC can't make you delete anything besides SC from the hard drive, how are they ever going to enforce old trademark infringement complaints?

They're not trying to enforce anything but SC. They're only concerned with selling their GEM Series. That's why this is such a problem on the back end. A pirate can still use the other tracks, because they are not governed by any mandate through their settlement with SC to get rid of them.

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Then they really haven't limited the pirates library except in the area of their trademark material. If the pirate leases the GEM series and keep the other illegal material they still have a larger library than the legal host and they have SC product besides. This is helping the industry?

That would make them a "certified pirate" that can't be sued wouldn't it?

Well "Karaoke Battle USA" uses 95% SC content during preliminaries & uses the Karaoke Channel logo (Stingray Digital) during broadcasts.

I wouldn't call this show a "rugrat" show which airs nation wide spanning singers from every point in the country during Friday primetime!

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I think (what I think and not anyone else) that the "certified kjs" I know and talk to hold the moral attitude that having non-disc backed-up karaoke tracks on their computer is not right if they were to use them in a show (for pay) and considered piracy. To date, all the available downloads intended for sale in the US market are for personal use only if you read their TOS. If you possess and use in your show karaoke tracks that you purchase from off-shore sites including Tricersoft (located in Canada), Sunfly, Zoom, SBI..... that are non SC, CB or PHM branded product then you can use them at your own risk since they sell beyond their own countrys borders (they claim out of their control). Those products are perhaps sold under the guise of having their songwriters fee (Europeon Fees)covered but since they cannot control the tracks final location then they (the seller) can claim imunity. F'd up laws and enforcement. If you paid for the tract from the online official retailer (Sunfly for example), I think you are probably going to be OK but, there are many kj that make and share copies of non-US branded products (Sunfly for example) knowing very well that they probably will never be suied, that is still piracy anyway you slice it. At least pay for it from the actual retailer.

So, in conclusion, buy your music legally. When you make copies from your disc, use only 1 copy per disc. When you buy a downloaded karaoke track, don't make copies for all your systems (have more than one system), buy an actual download for each system to remain 1:1. Don't share your music with others (share even for money like the hardrive sellers do). Don't use the torrent sites since they have been the biggest source of pirated copies of music.

Why cant we all work together?

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What's with this New Jersey-centric view of the world? According to "Don't Stop Believing," that recent book on karaoke, the first karaoke bars in the US were on the WEST coast although there could have been an almost concurrent develpment on the East coast. But certainly the East doesn't claim some sort of superior maturity as far as karaoke being around "the longest."

I don't care if you ever have SC in your show and I would guess you don't give a hoot if I have it in mine. But all this continual business about SC being for rugrats or less informed people or people brainwashed by marketing or people who haven't been around as long is just--DIGS. Sorry I took the bait but sometimes I just want to tape a dime on your head.

Singing to the bouncing ball started in the 1940s at your local theater

The concept of the "Empty Orchestra" came much later..

Well, we can give the bouncing ball to New York, circa 1925 and Mitch Miller was born in New York but Hollywood had a role in some of it so I don't feel too under-developed (enter Johnny Reverb comment here). We actually bought our Pioneer and laser discs from a fellow who claimed to have sung karaoke in Japan while in the Merchant Marines before it hit here. He said was treated like a God because he did Elvis and Sinatra. He is in his 80s and still running karaoke shows.

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Who told you that? Because I know a Gai that would beg to differ, and would tell you that they are cleared for sale in the US.



Oh so a car was used to kill somebody, let's ban all cars. Makes sense to me. Not.

Twice you say negative things about downloads, then turn around and say "It's OK IF YOU GET IT DIRECT FROM SUNFLY"

Why are you out to make tricerasoft a bad guy? That's what I'm reading from your entire post.

Having a bad day? Get a grip? I'm not a cheerleader. I didn't say EVERYONE would say that. If all hosts and knowledgeable singers took a vote. SC would come out with the most votes! Just the way it is. Has nothing to do with God either. That's why it is a shame they aren't making music anymore.

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I am not out to make any of the off shore companies "bad guys" but the operate knowing very well that the rights they hold from the publishers are for non-US sale, duh!!!!!!!!! And, since they are off-shore, duh!!!!, they sell over the world wide web aka Internet knowing very well the end user is responsible and they are out of the reach of US law, duh!!!!!!

We are not talking about cars, duh!!!!!!!!!

Just 'cause it's legal (or then again maybe not and they know that US laws can't touch them) in their home country doesn't mean it is legal worldwide, duh!!!!!!!

If they are cleared for sale in the US then how is it that they sell "Stay" by Sugarland when the publishers fo that track have pulled ALL rights to that track for Karaoke. Hummmm??????? Ask Tricerasoft about that one, Hummmmm?

Btw, call Norbert at Chartbuster and ask him why he can no longer include "Stay" in their library. I know Norbert and he is a nice guy too but he knows all too well about music publishers and US law. (This is not an invitation to raise old issues about the US manus that may have in the past have been in civil actions against them, those are closed!) But, Norbert will tell you there are seperate fees paid to publishers for works done for overseas markets since they do infact sell overseas.

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You sound like you're almost being paid to spew this... just to make it sound like every other brand in the world is illegal... except CB,SC and Stellar...

You accuse Tricerasoft of using "European licensing" like it's some sort of scam and yet what exactly is the Gem series?....

Licensed in the U.K....

"Duh" much?
What are you, 12?
Hard to take anything in this post seriously with all that "duh" going on.....

I am spewing my opinion only as I wrote initally in my first post.
No no no, I am talking about them selling tracks that are NOT approved for karaoke by the publishers that hold the rights to a track.
I really don't care how you feel about SC, I do know that what they offer is authorized by the publishers here in the US and that is all that matters for me.

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Sorry to make thing hard for you, so did you see my point of view anyway? No, I am not asking you to agree, just tired of the disection of a response line by line and then taking each sentence as it own meaning when the actual meaning and message is being delivered as a complete paragraph.

Has it become the norm here for everyone to just pile in disagreement and wise cracking like pre-teens on when a individual expresses his own opinion and repeating facts as he knows them?

What happened common sense?

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I am simply going on the information I have gathered. At the current time can you name another major Karaoke supplier that sells publisher approved music here in the states.

Every song in the Gem Series has the blessing of the music publishers, yes?
Every song sold by the Off-Shore suppliers, do they have the blessing of the publishers, no?

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Just a question? Since when did Don Henley/Glenn Freye ok the tracks in the GEM series if they couldn't ever be licensed? There are several songs from 8125 included in the GEM? Or were those particular songs not under their publisher for karaoke ok?

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1) As far as Tricerasoft- yup, no U.S. licensing for use in a U.S. based Karaoke show. When I asked to whom they paid their U.S. licensing fees ( there is no agency for this here) they replied - I'm paraphrasing- " Who should we pay, the men in black?". Effectively admitting that there's no blanket agency at this time to pay.

NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE can authorize the use of downloads in a U.S. based show except the music/lyric owners/publishers- period.

2) As far as the above: REALLY? After Kurt stated here and on other forums that he only as UK based licensing due to costs? You figure Kurt isn't telling the truth about his OWN PRODUCT?

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