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Haven't figured it out yet, have you sheeple?

PEP needs to produce something in order to keep the trademark alive. They just want you to pay for it... and they won't care too much if you like the end product or not.

And there will be Kool Aid for all!

Like I said before, at this point my $30 is going towards proving chip wrong. And if it so happens that I am wrong, then i'll post a public apology.

simple as that.

-James

You should have just sent me the $30....
and I would say very nice things about you....


(I do have a price, on a case-by-case basis)

But sending them the money -with no concrete product to buy - is exactly what they wanted you to do. You didn't disappoint them.

Someone bump the phonograph please. I think there is a chip in the vinyl causing it to repeat over and over.....

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-Chris

insults? really?
it's not affording it, it is being smarter than giving someone money for nothing. when i buy music, as a business owner, i buy what my singers ask for. spending money on music that no one knows the titles of makes no sense. would you do the same if Karaoke Version, Zoom, SBI or any of the others of equal SC quality did this? or are you reliant on the SC name for your success?

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So what if they extend the deadline. There is a provision for that in the Advance agreement.

If they can't make the disc, then everyone who paid gets a refund.

We'll also have facts instead of speculation.

I too am curious about the number of participants. How close or how far is the goal?

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Never the same show twice!

Perhaps they should try "KickStarter"..

No they don't. They just have to file their paperwork.

http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-maintai ... tion-alive

Debunked.....

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-Chris

In this specific instance, I am taking a leap of faith.

I want to see more US based karaoke companies making content. This is a relatively risk free way to support a company that has historically produced some of the most desirable karaoke content in the industry.

KV, SBI, ZOOM already have established, acceptable distribution channels. It would absolutely be a step backward for them to take this approach.

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-Chris

All that's necessary is that we continue to use the mark in commerce. We don't have to produce new tracks to do that.

And, by the way, our oldest trademark registration was just renewed for another ten years last month.

But, by all means, Mr. Staley, keep it up. Anything in service of your obsession.

Hi, Newbie poster, but old school KJ here...

I have some issues in regards to this new service, though it doesn't mean I'm not interested in it.

1) As I don't know how the case against Sound Choice Vs. EMI turned out, Will Sound Choice be able to get tracks from them to make karaoke tracks? (I am assuming 'yes' based on new business vs. old business)

2) Sound Choice was never exactly quick to release new tracks in the past (I loved the quality, but the wait times were killer on new material), how will that change? In today's market, most songs are strong for a few months, after that, interests fade, do I want to pay $30 for a CD for songs I may have already purchased waiting for them to release it?

3) The people who subscribe to the service will get to choose the songs from what I read, but no mention on how these songs will break down overall. Will there be one CD with 5 country, 5 Pop/Rock, 5 "By vote" choices? Will there be two or three different lines (Say Country, Pop/Rock, Oldies)?

4) True the OLD Sound Choice has made some great music.... But now they are the NEW guys on the block. I'm sure its not going to sound like a Casio recording, but do we get to say, hear samples before we buy?

5) Finally, with the lawsuits going on in karaoke land, will Sound Choice have enough buyers to make this viable option and keep the tracks coming? Believe me I know a karaoke hit isn't counted in the millions, it's maybe 500--1000 sales. I'm just thinking with all the stuff going on with Sound Choice, they might not make the numbers and we might never see a release

Believe me, I am NOT anti Sound Choice, They have a right to succeed and be fairly paid for their work, I am aware that not everyone shares that opinion here (or in other places). I am also concerned that this ship for them might have sailed, being late to the party, as well as not being sure if they will be able to deliver what we expect from them.

In today's market, all of us have to be a little frugal with our purchases. The karaoke market is so polluted with Pirated music, its become almost impossible to get a fair wage for my time and effort. The bars don't care if your legal or not, and its not up to them to be that responsible to find out. It's simply the bottom line of how much money they can keep at the end of the night. I don't blame them for this.

I like being to cherry pick songs that I need for my singers, guaranteeing they have what they like and will come back to my show keeping me employed (Honestly, it doesn't matter what the song is, we carry plenty of strange songs for our regulars,so long as my customers are happy). Sometimes I spend less then $30, sometimes more depending on what is out. But to reserve $30 to random chance, or to just wait on music until Sound Choice does/does not release it, I just don't know. I want this to be a good valuable option, but I am VERY unsure about it all.

Thanks for listening
TM

My point exactly. Lawsuits don't exactly qualify as "commerce" and you should be running out of gem stock.... tick, tick, tick....



Sure, anything to keep you amused.... Polish up Kurt's tin cup and extend your deadline.... you've only got another 30 days according to your own agreement before you have to either kick in your own bucks or start writing refund checks...

Hey, what about that Peoria tush-kicking that you got from the court that dismissed your suit?...
That was a good one!
Kinda took all the air out of your Lanham Act arguments didn't it?

The wheels of justice may roll slowly... but they still roll...

BTW, Red Peters would like to know exactly when he should be expecting his royalty check from you regarding the "HELP licenses".... And so does Rodney Carrington, and Paul Storm, and Tom Leher, and.....

Yep.....obsessed.

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-Chris

Any publisher or other copyright owner who has songs that are within the 16,500 "red logo" tracks in the historical catalog who would like to be a part of the publisher royalty pool is free to contact me directly. I'll send them a simple form agreement; they can tell me which songs they own and in what percentages, and we'll start sending them a check once a quarter. The first check will also include at least one quarter's back royalties.

We have ample supply to meet present demand. You also forget that since we still own all of the sets, that "rental" fee you complained about--that is actually a license renewal fee--means that we will continue to be using the marks in commerce long after the supply of GEM series discs is exhausted.

This wasn't required ahead of time?

Doesn't Karaoke Version have that "random pick" feature where when you click it, something goes into your cart?

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not to mention if someone gives up their lease, or dies, you will be able to re-sell that set.

Not a very pleasant thing to think about, but that is the reality of it.

-James

This wasn't required ahead of time?[/quote]

No, because we aren't licensing anything we don't own or have pass-through licensing for. Once a publisher becomes a part of our program, they participate in the royalty pool in exchange for permission. If they don't want to participate, they can enforce against the operators directly.

You know exactly who the publishers are.... they are listed on every single one of the tracks right? You should know what the percentages are as well when they were originally licensed for mechanical and synch rights....

So why aren't you automatically including them in the money you are already collecting from operators? Interesting that you are "collecting a licensing fee for the 16,000+ songs" but not disbursing it automatically to the publishers for whom you are collecting those fees? How convenient. Adding in the extra hoops to jump through with percentages they have to provide you with is just B******t and you know it. As much as you'd like to position your new enterprise as the "ASCAP of Karaoke" it's just not coming across that way.

It's business as usual right?

I can hear it now: "Let's not tell the publishers... and then beg forgiveness if they catch us later.... because it's cheaper than asking for permission up front.... "

"Ethics." It's a word in the dictionary and you really should look up the definition because it appears you have always been unfamiliar with it.