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In my opinion, any KJ that would agree to "leaving the business for 3 years" because of SC is an idiot because it is entirely possible to run a successful business without them at all. A KJ that signs something like that is simply signing away their rights.

If you wanted to make an agreement NOT to use the SC brand for 3 years, that's a different story.

No need. Here are a few quotes for you to choose from for your signature.

"Sound Choice...for your benefit" - c.staley
"GEM series..."A lot better" than anyone else." - c.staley
"Sound Choice...reasonable...evident....they can prevail" - c.staley
"Sound Choice...IS available to EVERYONE right now. And you can get it free..." - c.staley
"You want fair? ...Sound Choice." - c.staley

Nice try, no cigar Bazza.

Looks like he copied & pasted into his signature line.

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hey, i'm there too.....should i feel honored?

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And honored you are for your wisdom Paradigm!

So he did it himself, not me. That's a relief. I didn't want Chip to not like me anymore. I mean 'cause we're so close and always seem to see eye to eye on stuff.

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My first choice IS Sound Choice.

Ideally, a majority of pirates will "become customers" and that will only benefit SC in my opinion -- there won't be enough leaving this business to have any effect on "legit operators." And that is evidenced by the large number of filings in Florida that have not seemed to have any affect on the legit operators there.[/quote]


I'm a little confused by these statements from Harrington Law. On the one hand it is stated that some pirates will be turned into customers, the rest will leave the business, and prices for legitimate operators will go up. SC benefits from that, by the virtue if everyone is making more then they can raise the price for audits, yearly checkups etc. etc. etc. All this does not take into account that the economy is poised for a possible double dip recession. This some then becomes the majority further down in the statement and once again that will help SC. Then it is stated the there won't be enough (pirates) leaving this business to have any effect on "legit operators". So we have a situation that goes from majority to not enough, so if cheerleaders are expecting to see their bottom lines improve, they are in for a big let down. Despite the large number of filings in Florida that have not seemed to have any effect. Is that because the whole problem is just way to huge to have it dealt with effectively going through the civil court process? So my question is SC really helping or hurting an industry that is already in disarray? I hope kjathena doesn't put down her pom poms when, it becomes apparent even if she turns in every pirate, the
bottom line will only improve for SC. Since their primary concern according to Harrington Law is SC profits. That really surprised me, yeah right!

Sound Choice has every right to utilize lawsuits to attempt to recover monies. Lone Ranger this is business, not some Kumbaya singing commune that you seem to be preaching.

BUT, I do not agree with a lot of the methods being used. I do not agree to paying for audits (that is THEIR cost of doing business). I also do not agree with their casting out a big net and be damned if they catch 1:1 KJs in it by filing mass suits, instead of sending out Intention to Sue notifications. That is just flat lazy (or cheaper or both). Destroying evidence after reciept of a letter is just as illegal as it would be after actually being sued.

What about the admission by Harrington Law that their efforts so far haven't made a significant dent in the problem, and that the legal hosts that were hoping for relieve will have a very very long wait. I would rather sing with my friends, than a bunch of lawyers, just my feelings. Especially when the song the lawyers seem to be playing is " Stand and Deliver", (Adam & The Ants). What I feel they are just stirring the waters and trying to get as many hosts as will to come in and voluntarily put themselves under the SC trademark. I thought hosts were made of sterner stuff. Independent business people willing to take a risk, and not have to go hat in hand to anyone. Maybe I was wrong, maybe we are not fun loving bunch I thought we all are. Too much has gone down in the last 2 years, too many people in the business have changed, not for the common good either. What gets me almost every host, but the cheerleaders don't like the methods, yet they are willing to wait until SC knocks on their doors. By then it will be too late to do anything but to pay one way or another. Unless you want to sign that agreement to just give up for three years. I wonder why it is only three years? Maybe that is all the time SC can keep this situation going?

I LIKE MY POM POMS and until there is a better method I will continue to fight karaoke piracy the same way as I have been doing....sometimes you don't like any of the options but you do have them.

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Well as long as I bought it, I can or should be able to use it any way I like. This seems to be what I'm hearing. Well here's a secret, it ain't true. Here's a short list of items people own that they can't do what they please with:

Motor vehicles
knives
baseball bats
firearms
masks
alcohol

These are all legal to own, but of you break the law with them, prepare to pay the price. I'd say you're lucky that the manus won't go after for 1:1 after an audit. They could say "nah, let's nail them all". I'm just waiting for the book publishing world to get into the action with peer to peer sites for books for free.

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Only on those days that don't contain the letter "y"

I guess that leaves "TOMORROW" open for possibilities.

Exactly Cue, Thank you..... contrary to popular belief, I am open-minded....

Actually, the reason for the audits is to ensure that those who have copied their product without their permission do actually own the corresponding CDG for every track copied. Had the KJ not made copies, there would be no need for an audit.

But, as we know, KJs have ripped copies. If the only way to confirm 1:1 compliance is to do an audit, why is that Sound Choice's cost of doing business? They have already met their costs in producing the CDGs. It is solely the KJs business decision to make the copies for use in the KJ's business.

If ya don't want to pay for an audit, don't copy Sound Choice's product/trademark.

Exactly, and in the UK (both DJ and KJ) and Canada (DJ only), the operator has to pay for the format shift and stay 1:1. So the complaint of paying is a red herring.

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the only difference i see Timberlea, is that in the U.K., there is an agency to handle that, and it is a set fee. in the U.S. have told us to all sit and spin, and so we have to pay to each manu whatever price they decide they want to charge.
it would be $600.00 for 10,000 - 15,000 tracks of karaoke, and that is a one time fee.
here the manus want yearly fees.

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Maybe you can explain to me why the conflicting statements by Harrington Law as to the effectiveness of this procedure of theirs. Seems like they can't even be sure of a rough guess estimate when it comes to knowing if the majority of the pirates will be put out of business. They admit that it will have little effect on the industry as a whole, so where is that relieve you were hoping for?
I think it is time to stop putting faith in a program that is primarily established to enrich one company. It is time to look at a different solution. Although this could be all academic if the second recession is triggered by our leaders in Washington. All I know is that, as far as I'm concerned I will not give any more money to the SC relieve fund. I do like the one option I have not to use their product period.

I don't see conflicting statements by Harrington Law.