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Thank you... Someone who comprehends what I am trying to say.

The only way to get on their goody goody list is to plunk down a few EXTRA thousand bucks to buy their GEM series.

Just another variation of the shake down. If you want them to certify you....now you HAVE to do your shows from a computer.

Inaccurate. ODB hosts can be certified (and have been), they just don't have a free option.

this doesn’t make sense.
you want everyone to use original media only, for shifting you require an audit, you are pushing the venues to hire only certified KJ's to avoid suits.
so in order to stay in Karaoke you must use SC material and pay for an audit even if you are using original media, or risk not being able to get shows as more venues are pushed to certified hosts to avoid lawsuits?
cueball is ineligible to host karaoke in venues as he has not paid you for the privilege of using his SC discs in the manner required by SC.

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It's all speculation because no one has said what the actual settlement was and no one can because of it is sealed.

But I'm sure that there are more than a few hosts in Las Vegas that have been on the inside and could give us the info. Unless of course SC has put a sock in their mouth too, but hey if your not working for one of those clubs listed and you have some info let the rest of us in on it.

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Sorry for the hijack... I have deleted this post by me, and moved it to a new topic thread.

I fully comprehend what you are trying to say.

My point is that it wasn't and isn't "free" for me to be listed on that page and thus be granted some sort of opportunities.

As far as I recall, I am the only host that has ever posted here that they have been able to pick up gigs because of being listed on the SC page. It may have happened to others but they are on this board. One of those gigs only lasted for 6 months. Keep in mind that just because we as KJ's may be jumping through hoops to do the right thing doesn't mean the clubs do.

The rewards you seem to think I am reaping are not nearly as significant as you may think. You could very well get listed on the site and never receive a call ever. Especially since you have already said in your area that bars don't seem to care about your legal or certification status. I have only received two calls and the last one was May of last year.

-Chris

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We are listed and have received a total of 3 calls from being listed, not one of those booked us due to the listing. One venue did end up booking us after 3 sales pitches and speaking to venue owners where we have worked for years.

We have had better luck booking venues on print ads in our "weekly flyer" type newspaper on average we receive 9 calls for every ad($125.00-$175.00), none of those calls were booked without multiple sale calls either.

Karaoke is very much a "sales" job the average number of contacts with venues to equal one booking has improved to 1 out of 12 this year. Many venues are visited as many as 20 times before booking.

We aren't pushing anyone only to hire certified KJs, except that if a venue hires a non-certified KJ, and that KJ is actually infringing, then the venue will be pursued also.

Not even the Safe Harbor program requires venues to hire certified KJs.

The key words above, that take ODB KJs out of the mix, are "that KJ is actually infringing."

We would never sue anyone for playing from original discs, nor would we sue a venue for hiring someone who plays from original discs.

We do recognize that being listed as a certified KJ can be beneficial. An ODB host is welcome to apply for certification, and we have had several ODB hosts become certified.

But what about these comments by Kurt? Doesn't he allude to a certain "requirement" in certain "settlements" to use only "certified hosts"?

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I'm confused. I thought you were having trouble getting the program for disc hosts going. Every time I have ever tried to apply I get told to shift first. At one place you posted that it had to be done in person and not over skype due to having to verify the person has the equipment to play discs. Is there something in place now?

A legit host is one of two things, at least as it concerns SC, certified digital or ODB. I understand what Cue is saying and SC in its statements should be clear that both these types of hosts are legitimate.

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I haven't carried SC at all for 5 years now and it hasn't effected my bottom line at all, I'm working six days a week, and on target to have the best year ever. In a little over two years I will be retired from the industry. SC is not necessary to run an effective, profitable karaoke service. Have a blessed day.

Absolutely!!! The following statement by Kurt doesn't say a single word about ODB KJs:


Then he follows it up with this:

The fact that he first states the term CERTIFIED HOSTS, negates the next line about LEGIT HOSTS. The word CERTIFIED has already been planted in their heads, and thus, the term LEGIT is associated with the term CERTIFIED. SC may be claiming that they are not excluding ODB KJs from obtaining possible gigs, BUT the way they are going about it, their wording is focused MAINLY on a COMPUTERIZED Host.

I agree Cue. SC, Kurt, and Jim (and as far as I can see Jim has) in all their statements, pamphlets, sites, etc, relating to certification, should always end with ODBs are always legitimate and need no certification.

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Interesting. Chris states:

"As far as I recall, I am the only host that has ever posted here that they have been able to pick up gigs because of being listed on the SC page"

Tell you anything?

As I said earlier, it is probably worse for your business at this point to show any association with SC than otherwise.

An ODB host can easily prove they are not a pirate without SC's help, or mentioning their name. MUCH better that way.

I DO have an exceptionally badly written letter from SC that kinda, sorta makes ODB hosts look better, but it is written so inaccurately that it is worthless. However, even if written well, the association with SC would do more more harm than good, so it's in my file cabinet under "Sillies".

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Looks like having association with SC regarding some venues in Vegas will actually help a KJ's business.

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=27301&start=80#p357592

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Maybe Insane and that is a big MAYBE, since the details of the settlements according to James are not a matter of public record. Have Insane day.

don't forget though, that is only because SC has them requiring to only hire SC certified hosts after being sued.

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I'm getting a bit confused as well.

I have posted this and await a response.

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=27562&start=20#p357999

I hope this all may be as simple as I suggest.

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