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I have nothing to say....and most are not on line at the moment... BUT thanks for the laugh!! Driving drunk vs. media shifting....snapon vs. cd OMG it will never be cleared up!

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SoundChoice Certification coming soon!

I think this place has gone off the deep end.

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well time for an update....of the 3 defaulted KJ's(from the lawsuit referenced on this thread) in our area 1 has gone "missing" and has been unable to be found even by the court. 1 was served as were his venues(wish I was a fly on the wall for that) and the 3rd is headed back to court......Tell me again SC is doing nothing to combat piracy. This action was against 3 active, multi-show KJ's 2 of whom I KNOW (from words from their own mouths)have sold all the discs they once owned. 2 out of the three ARE out of business......will have to let you know on the third, I do however KNOW his legal costs are much higher than buying the GEM at settlement would have been....many times over.


Bright Blessings
Athena

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I have just read through this whole sordid affair of a thread, and do have one question for you, Athena. How can you justify shifting the mfrs that you can't get in touch with? What makes that right?? How does that make you any different than those that shifted SC without permission? You can't have it both ways. Either you believe that everyone should do the right thing, or you don't. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but really. You can't preach total compliance then not follow it.

Timberlea, you said in this thread that permission to shift comes with a cost. That is only true with SC and CB. I have not had to pay ANYONE that has granted me permission to shift, which includes my SGB set. Hopefully that won't change, at least until I can afford to replace my SGBs with better versions.

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I said may and that would be the right of who holds the TM whether they want to charge or not.

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Yet in the DK thread you have determined that even though the DK Sets are of questionable origin, that simply because you purchased them in good faith, you should be exonerated of any wrong doing.

The whole concept of permission to shift is unfortunately centered around the aspect of piracy. SC and the former CB chose to charge for audits to ensure that what people have on hard drives, they also had on disc. Other manufacturers just give permission without having to check.

The standing issue is whether someones OWNS the original or not.

-Chris

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Chris, I am not the one who talks about morality and discs that I have destroyed because the companies may recorded their music without license. It just doesn't make sense for Athena to shift music without permission when she is all about permission and audits. Personally, I don't care if that is what she is doing, as I would do the same, but I am of the belief that hosts SHOULD be allowed to shift what they buy without a load of bull to go along with it.

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"media shifting" was created by SC and then CB jumped on it too. Show me any other professional music source (i.e. Prime Cuts, Promo Only, etc.) who would seek out and sue their customers because they ripped the cd they bought to mp3 so they could use it on their computers? That's right, none of them. Prime Cuts even sends it to me now as mp3 on cd, as well as makes it available for download for me before the cd is shipped. They EXPECT you to use it in digital format.

It's not an issue for any other pro dj companies. As for shifting content for karaoke companies that are out of business? Of course you can, who would stop you?

Also, I don't have to run around behind Prime Cuts every week to make sure they have paid the publishers for the music they send me. This whole karaoke thing has just gotten to be stupid. No wonder the companies are going out of business.

I do not try to justify any of my decisions...That is why I keep saying that all hosts must educate themselves , decide on the level of risk they are willing to take...and be willing to pay the price for the decisions they make without B*t*hing.
I personally feel that proof of my attempts to receive permission will count for something...if/when they come a calling

Blessings
Athena

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Lee McGuffey

> No it won't. Haven't you learned anything from SC??

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I have to agree with you Rick. I wish Karaoke companies could pump out as much music as Prime Cuts does for the price they charge. I know they don't make the music and are just a distribution point but you get all the new stuff for the price of about 10 CD's.

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actually yes I have learned from SC and CB that if you are willing to work with manufactures and show you are legal...that they are more than willing to work with you. In every dealing I have had with both SC and CB I have been treated politely and with the same respect I showed them.(Really...they were not boggiemen)

Blessings
Athena

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

CB?

You need new role model.

The new Chartbuster mantra should be....... "DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO"

OR.....'HOW DARE YOU STEAL MY STOLEN PROPERTY FROM ME"

Hello Kettle. My name is POT. You're BLACK

I don't see Piracy Recovery ever taking a case into an actual court room with their CAVS case hanging over them like a dark cloud.

Can you imagine their argument before the court????

Yes, your honor. We have been found guilty of selling thousands of pirated songs to thousands of people but that doesn't give them the right to show a logo of a company that was forced to close down for selling those logos that happened to be attached to music that our company stole in the first place.

Oh this is gonna be fun to watch!


Talk about entrapment. They sell you pirated music and add their logo to it so when they get forced out of business they can turn around and file law suits against their former customers for displaying a logo from a product that they sold illegally, to you, in the first place. I think that Chartbuster should have to refund everyone for every Chartbuster disc in their possession. I demand restitution. I guess I have to get behind CAVS in that line, huh?

That really doesn't help their credibility.

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