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I'm sure Sound Choice doesn't care, they mostly likely try to fry them up both, on the same stove. Using the same old recipe.

Actually, I've made quite a few friends. Many people on here, including myself, have a common bond. When you get up in front of a crowd and sing, you lay your soul on the ground, for people to walk on, or if the crowd is right, they will pick it up, and dust it off...
I'm always glad to learn something, and one thing I've found is, what works for some, doesn't always work for others. And the cardinal rule...."what happens at karaoke, stays at karaoke". Two things I was taught growing up were not to be a narc, or a suck a$$.....oh, and three.....singing is fun..ps...
no kjing for his old guy anymore.....hi oh Silver.....away...

I don't care much for kjing weddings either, I guess I'm getting old and cranky.

Highly doubtful. If a disc owner got caught by mistake, they would show their discs & be on their way.

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More hearsay.

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Just to agree "letters of intent" don't work...most just ignore them in my little part of the world...we need bigger teeth not smaller ones

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If a pirate ignores the letter, fine, sue the bejesus out of them. At least give the 1:1 KJ the opportunity to say wait a minute look at my stuff. Instead of thowing a big net out to see what you can get.

Instead of intent to sue letters, educating venues with KIAA & "Safe Harbor" information would best be suited. If everyone knew what is going on & what can happen, then legitimate operators can request a preemptive audit or suffer the consequences of being named in a lawsuit for copying the manu's trademarks without permission.

My company has had KIAA information sent to most every venue that I could find that has or had karaoke so these places can not say that they are ignorant. Even if they claim ignorance, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Say what you want about "paying" for this privilege. I have to pay $200 a year for my State Business License to have the "privilege" of doing business in the State Of Nevada. Also local licenses as well, Carson City, Sparks, Douglas County add up to another $200+ a year for that "privilege".

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TommyA...a letter of intent is filed the same way as a lawsuit...if a KJ is 1-1 and is named he just shows his discs and is dropped either way. We were sent an "intent letter" and asked for an audit...we were treated with courtesy and respect by everyone we spoke with. Of all the KJ's in my part of the world(cant speak about other areas) that were named either pre suit or post suit only 2 have even requested audits. They are giving KJ's that are 1-1 the chance to indemnify themselves and their venues before even being named...please try to understand that as the law is written now anybody that converts to digital without permission is in violation of trademark law. Not trying to be mean just sayin

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
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They won't be caught by mistake if they just stop using the Sound Choice product.

Or if they use Sound Choice product the way it was originally sold to the public on CDG.

Or if they choose to pay for the "privilege" to copy the Sound Choice trademark to a computer before any investigation that may imply trademark infringement.

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Yep turn tail and run!

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BWWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA!

Better yet, assert that you've spent 20 years in the business and that not really caring about it one way or the other while you wait to die, makes you an expert.

Also, quote a song reference and incorrectly spell and name the artist/band.

I guess when you're befuddled, the turtle response is to be expected.

It's kind of amusing.

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Totally agree with Singyoassoff. Naming a legitimate KJ in a lawsuit only hurts their reputation unnecessarily. If a KJ is truly 1:1 compliant then they have no need to "destroy evidence and/or skip town." There is no reason why Harrignton can't issue a letter of intent to weed out the legit KJ's prior to suing. Or wait, here's a crazy idea.....When the "investigators" are at a KJ's show, how about simply asking the KJ if they have the CDG for the SC song they just played? I realize that the whole point of media shifting is so we all don't have to drag our CDGs to every show, however, I can only speak for myself here; while I do not bring my CDGs into every venue I play, I sure as heck have every one of them with me at every show, sitting in my van. Have to. What happens if my laptop dies during a show? The show much go on. Okay, all of you who are chomping at the bit here ready to tell me that I can't use my discs as back-ups, settle down! I wouldn't be using the discs to enable me to run 2 shows at the same time. I don't believe I'd be breaking any laws if I used my discs for one night, as long as the karaoke tracks on my laptop were not available for use.

What really gets me is that if you ask for a voluntary audit, you have to pay for it, but if you get named in one of their law suits and then request the audit, there is no charge. So, once again, the good guy gets screwed. Either be proactive and pay up to prove your legit or take your chances, get sued, and have to pay with your reputation being tarnished. Makes no sense to me how loyal customers who have paid thousands of dollars for SC products can be treated this way. I've truly been racking my brain trying to figure out how SC can justify making a legal KJ pay for the "privilege" of proving they are legal. Is it the T-shirt and the vinyl banner they give you as part of your certification? Don't want or need either. Haven't worn T-shirts since 1983 and I have no interest in giving them any free advertising by displaying their banner at my shows. They get enough of that from every SC track I legally play. Besides, I don't need a banner OR certifcation from SC to prove that I purchased each and every CDG on my hard drive. I have my purchase RECIEPTS for that.

Actually you have four options:
1:go back to playing discs
2:stop using SC and CB
3:get a preemptive audit
4: get named in a suit and go through an audit while your reputation goes down the toilet.

I personally like option 3 and have already done so last November. Like everyone else, I am waiting to hear whether or not I have to reaudit or not. If so I will do it, if not great.
If I do it will have to be in person. My present drive requires two USB ports to operate.

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Danny - Did you have to pay for your voluntary audit?

No, this was before they started charging but I would have paid if needed.
Side note I agree that it is not fair for people named in a lawsuit not to have to pay the certification fee and would like to see that changed.

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I would LOVE to see that law. PLEASE show it to me.

Mr. Harrington, maybe YOU can help her out here. Any legal authority to support this conclusion would be appreciated.

You FORGOT one.

5. get named in a suit, show your discs in court, win, counter-sue for malicious prosecution.

Can we add libel and defamation of character to the counter suit? I'm not an attorney, but I'm just saying....