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JimHarrington
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:06 pm |
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bazinga wrote: I think you don't remember correctly!
The video clearly states "One of the most notable function on the PCK-350DR is its digital recording capabilities. You can capture all of your performances on to SD or secure digital memory cards. This makes it easy to take your performances or recorded songs with you anywhere and play them back on compatible devices and since these are digital files you can even transfer them to your computer and email them to share with friends and family."
It made a clear distinction between "your performances" and "recorded SONGS" If it says that, so what? It's still not a commercial activity. If you can point out someone we've sued for emailing a file to their friend or family member, I'll concede the point. Otherwise, it's irrelevant.
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:11 am |
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If a KJ uses SC digital files without permission in any commercial context, it is trademark infringement. Nothing about this video changes that, because nothing in this video authorizes the commercial use of SC digital files.
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Cueball
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:27 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: If a KJ uses SC digital files without permission in any commercial context, it is trademark infringement. Nothing about this video changes that, because nothing in this video authorizes the commercial use of SC digital files. I think this is what bazinga is trying to point out... Since this machine is all about making digital files, the fact that this ad mentions KJs can use them, IMPLIES that permission IS being granted to use those digital files in any way the KJ deems fit. The ad does NOT mention anything about illegalities in using said files in a commercial setting.
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:54 am |
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cueball wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: If a KJ uses SC digital files without permission in any commercial context, it is trademark infringement. Nothing about this video changes that, because nothing in this video authorizes the commercial use of SC digital files. I think this is what bazinga is trying to point out... Since this machine is all about making digital files, the fact that this ad mentions KJs can use them, IMPLIES that permission IS being granted to use those digital files in any way the KJ deems fit. The ad does NOT mention anything about illegalities in using said files in a commercial setting. This machine is not "all about making digital files." It has the capability of recording its inputs onto an SD card, but mostly it's a disc player with an integrated amp and speaker. I own a Sony laptop that's capable of running torrent software. Does that mean that Sony has given me permission to use my Sony laptop to torrent Sony Pictures content? Of course not. Did Sony have to tell me not to run torrent software on my laptop? Of course not.
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chrisavis
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:11 am |
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I say let them use that machine as their primary karaoke show device if they want to work around the system and see how long they stay in business.
_________________ -Chris
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doowhatchulike
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:27 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: cueball wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: If a KJ uses SC digital files without permission in any commercial context, it is trademark infringement. Nothing about this video changes that, because nothing in this video authorizes the commercial use of SC digital files. I think this is what bazinga is trying to point out... Since this machine is all about making digital files, the fact that this ad mentions KJs can use them, IMPLIES that permission IS being granted to use those digital files in any way the KJ deems fit. The ad does NOT mention anything about illegalities in using said files in a commercial setting. This machine is not "all about making digital files." It has the capability of recording its inputs onto an SD card, but mostly it's a disc player with an integrated amp and speaker. I own a Sony laptop that's capable of running torrent software. Does that mean that Sony has given me permission to use my Sony laptop to torrent Sony Pictures content? Of course not. Did Sony have to tell me not to run torrent software on my laptop? Of course not. My opinion on analogies is well documented... that being said... Sony does not MARKET the capability to access torrent material via their device...
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Bazza
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:53 pm |
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cueball wrote: Since this machine is all about making digital files, the fact that this ad mentions KJs can use them, IMPLIES that permission IS being granted to use those digital files in any way the KJ deems fit. The ad does NOT mention anything about illegalities in using said files in a commercial setting. YES! I like this way of thinking. I just noticed my vehicles speedometer goes to 140mph! Using this logic, they are giving me IMPLIED PERMISSION to drive that fast! Their ads and user manual did NOT mention anything about the legalities of driving 140mph. Therefor they MUST be endorsing me to drive 140mph all the time! Woohoo! I'm gonna tell those cops to screw off! Mercedes said it was OK!!!! Thanks guys!
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jdmeister
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:19 pm |
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I think we are done here..
Any other posts that make no sense, lock in 3, 2, 1,
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Sqwigee
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:39 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: That should tell Harrington and Kurt something. People are so sick of them and their way of doing business that NOW they can't even post about that business here, of all places. I think many people are tired of SC trying to get money for nothing. The new HELP program is just that. It is money for nothing. They aren't providing any content. You can get your songs from any source, including torrents. The program doesn't include any new material, whether this is ever any or not. So, all you get is "protection" from lawsuits. That is money for nothing. People are tired of it. They WERE a great Karaoke company, in their day, and for the time they were producing music. That time is long passed, and they have been surpassed by quite a few other companies, both in content, AND quality. AND, NO other company, except PRLLC, is looking to make money for nothing. Apparently you are NOT the only sane one here, because I WHOLE-HEARTEDLY AGREE!!!!
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Sqwigee
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:45 pm |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: Quote: I own a Sony laptop that's capable of running torrent software. Does that mean that Sony has given me permission to use my Sony laptop to torrent Sony Pictures content? Of course not. Did Sony have to tell me not to run torrent software on my laptop? Of course not. It's funny you should put it that way, since on a tangent, in a different thread - McDonald's is required to warn people, that when they order a hot coffee........ it may be hot.... snicker-snicker (the laughing kind, NOT the trademark kind... we don't want any litigation here...) Somehow I screwed up the quote part, but I think you get the picture - sorry. confangled computer contraption thingy!!
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:39 am |
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Sqwigee wrote: McDonald's is required to warn people, that when they order a hot coffee........ it may be hot Actually, I'd say that the outcome of that case is mostly that McDonald's is required to sell coffee at a temperature that doesn't cause full-thickness burns in seconds when it is spilled on the consumer. But since we're talking about warnings, I suggest that you go right now and look at the front of any SC disc you own, if you do indeed own any, and see what the warning is on that disc.
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jdmeister
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Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:53 am |
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OK, now we're talking hot coffee? Get a grip people.. This thread is done..
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