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Speaking of GEMS:

I realized that this was an incredibly shrewd- if unethical - idea on Kurt's part. Think about it. Kurt had to know that at some point the publishers were going to close in on him ( and now has transferred remaining useable assets to Phoenix, probably in hopes of covering them), so he comes up with the following:

A KJ RENTS ( or leases, if you prefer) the discs for their lifetime, but pays the entire rent/lease fee UP FRONT ( plus an additional $33 per year because they can get it). He gets his money up front, then faces court proceedings. If he loses, he may have to recall the GEMS -on which he maintains ownership- but is under no obligation to refund the money paid for their use.

He produced the discs, got paid for them, then gets them back. An order for disc destruction upon recall? Be interesting to see how that would work out.

Even more fun: Suppose somewhere down the road these sets become legal again through some sort of proceeding. He is under no obligation to return them to the original user.. He can RE-LEASE the same set to someone else and paid for it AGAIN. Since these sets are in most cases only used once for transfer to PC (like new), no processing of the discs is required.

Just WOW! Shrewd, gotta give him that....

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So, this is what you're reduced to?

You've posited an entirely speculative set of circumstances that bear only a loose connection to actual events, then decided that Kurt could possibly have a motive for doing things he hasn't done, as part of a plan to screw people out of money.

I feel really sad for you.

But since you brought it up, in the next day or so, we're introducing a new feature to the GEM licenses that will entirely make a liar out of you. Just putting together the language for the paperwork.

Well of COURSE it's a speculation- the case hasn't even been resolved yet. Speculation is IMPLIED by that fact. It's only a POSSIBILITY, and I'm the first to admit it- but it IS entirely possible. Why would it get under your skin.

Introducing a new feature can't make a liar out of me. My speculation is only based on things as they are now. If SC makes ANOTHER change, the circumstances as described would no LONGER be valid, but that doesn't change the fact that they were when I posted.

You really have to work on both self-control and posting techniques. However, I do appreciate that you care enough to be sorry for me.

That being said, if the NEW FEATURE is a financial safeguard for the protection of the KJ due to possible recall later- Then very good! I'd much rather see KJs not suffer financial loss than have my speculation be correct. If the new feature has nothing to do with safeguarding KJs from financial loss then it is probably a waste. Either way, have at it!

Come to think of it, there may be another option - since I don't believe SC has the resources to pay everyone back at the same time in case of a recall. How about:

Maybe SC comes up with a plan that in one way or another transfers OWNERSHIP of the Users' GEMS to the user. On paper this would look great. SC has been paid, and the user would OWN the discs. Awesome.

On the other hand, this lets SC off the hook for handling and dealing with the recall ( and possible facing legal action from KJs disgruntled by the large financial loss- you didn't think they would do this to be NICE, did you? ) BUT it leaves the individual KJs responsible for the whatever happens in regards to the GEMS in the event of a loss to EMI. Those discs could still be recalled at a loss to the KJ, or a Cease and Desist issued in regard to their use, or other penalties.

Remember, In the case of the GEMS, each user can be found because these sets have been registered to them. No "show inspections" are required. They know who you are. It would not be difficult as it would be trying to trace regular discs. Check the records and send a letter.

Ah well, just more speculation.....

Of course, it will be interesting to see if said announcement actually shows up within the next day or so.

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Bazza, just to put a smile on your face, I want you to know that I still have the original 45

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There's speculation and then there is slanting everything into evil for your own purposes. You definitely not speculating, you were making accusations on the sly. Two different things.

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who cares
everyone now knows
you are going to change the rules at any time
what ever you have to do to make more money on disc
they all ready bought (disc all ready sold get paid twice for same disc)
its like buying alive for 8.00 a bottle
then having to pay 1.00 $ every time you open it and take out 1 pill

bull (@$%&#!)
you guys just keep digging your hole bigger and deeper

one good thing about this is you are showing everyone how not to run a company thanks for that

Blatantly false, but have a nice drive-by.

I have certainly speculated based on my own point of view- that is what speculating IS. I also am the first to admit that I take the most negative possibilities as the strongest based on what I have seen from SC in the past.

However, no accusations can possibly be made- and they haven't- because no actions have been taken yet. There is nothing yet to be accused OF.

Speculation means that I am giving my personal opinion of what could POSSIBLY happen.

Just as I SPECULATED that public PC use would escalate the growth of crappyoke KJs during the financial crisis due to the ability to base a show off of something found in their own home.

Just as I SPECULATED that online MP3s would cause piracy to explode.

I didn't have evidence or proof beforehand, only gut instinct and common sense.

I certainly could have been wrong- but in those cases I wasn't.

I could be wrong in this case.

When the time comes all will know for sure. By "wrong" I mean in regard to SC's actions. However, the RESULTS of those actions, should they come to pass, are based on fact, not opinion.

For instance IF SC should work out a change of GEM ownership to the KJ, the RESULTS as posted above would be accurate.

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Just like the situation with the other announcement, is it totally necessary to shroud the general direction of this new direction with secrecy if all that is in the way of implementation is some verbiage? I believe that the very pages of this forum have shown the benefit of discussing these details, and even some changes have been enacted based on these discussions. Why not take advantage of the free discussion beforehand, so as to avoid the egg-on-the-face changes made due to premature implementation, instead of viewing it as the fleeting value of entertaining speculation?

If you'll refresh your page, you'll see that the announcement has been made.

I am sure folks on here will appreciate the "instant gratification"...

Some great distractions, but my bottom line about the GEMS:

Despite the BS some posted, I think that CONTENT of the set is certainly good quality product.

I simply recommend that anyone thinking of agreeing to lay out thousands for it should at least wait until the EMI suit is resolved. AFTER that, if it is still available ( meaning that SC would have to have won the suit) then go to it.

Just good common and business sense.

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[quote="HarringtonLaw"]If you'll refresh your page, you'll see that the announcement has been made.[/quote]

I have been reading posts, but have no idea how to use this forum properly.
What announcement has been made and where was it posted?

It was removed as spam.

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Where can I see the announcement?

It seems that you can't.

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