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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:22 pm 
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After reading all of the rambling all over the place responses to this post all I can say is.

It really does matter, PIRACY is NOT OK.

No matter how you try to defend it!


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Bruce has a rather artful way of trying to make a point when there isn't one. Of trying to make good people look bad and bad people look good. It is all his way of feeling better about himself.

I think this should be Bruce's Theme Song....


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Geez! You could have at least come up with a country song for me. Like this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqIRpnsUvP4


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earthling12357 wrote:
Do you really believe that the issues discussed here can only be relevant to the parties directly involved? Under that line of thinking, you should have never been listed on the "sound choice certified" page because since you are not directly involved as a "media shifting partner" it's "none of your business."
But that is where you are mistaken. Whether SC chooses to sue someone in Criminal Court as versus Civil Court is of no relevance to most of us here. The only relevant issue is the fact that SC is suing at all.

As for me wanting to be (and successfully getting) listed on SC's website, there's more to it than just the Media Shifting aspect. SC set that section up (on their site) to display a list of (what they consider to be) KJs who are operating with a legitimate library. I have a legitimate library (according to SC's standards). That, in and of itself, makes it relevant to me and makes it my business. By not being included in that list, it does affect me (to a very small degree), as there are certain benefits to being listed. Why should I be penalized out of some of those benefits just because I run a DB show as versus a PC show? Also, another (possible) benefit which James stated is, when SC (eventually) goes back into producing new music, they will be made available for sale just to those who are certified or who have obtained a GEM Series.

@ Earthling12357: Shown below is the relevance to me:
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SC is recording new material AND re-releasing older material. The target release date for the new material is in May. It will only be available to GEM licensees and certified operators. We are working to get a certification process in place for ODB hosts so they will be able to acquire the new product, but that may not be in place by the release date..

The quality will meet the same high standards you expect from SC.
Again, why should I be penalized for being a good customer over the years (by purchasing all of my discs and not media-shifting them), and NOT be allowed to purchase new ones when they become available just because (by your standards Earthling12357) I shouldn't be listed in SC's website? I guess SC doesn't agree with you (that I should not be listed).


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Wasn't that a very old post referring to Last May? or even May of 2012?


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BruceFan4Life wrote:
Wasn't that a very old post referring to Last May? or even May of 2012?
Bruce... You must have missed where I posted the date of that quote. It doesn't matter how old it was, the point is, it was stated there. My use of that quote, was to show Earthling12357 why it was of some relevance to me.

As for the fact that SC has not appeared to have produced any newer releases in the past year (since making that post), there were later Topic Threads (which James had responded to) discussing some of the delays and legal setbacks they were (and probably are still) having with that. It is not my intent to discuss why they haven't released anything new yet, and I don't intend to speculate any further on that.


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BruceFan4Life wrote:
The local Brick and Mortar Karaoke store in this area was running multiple shows on the same night with copied discs for years. Nobody seemed to care about them at all because they were the only ones in the area with that capability. Funny thing is; they hired a guy to be a KJ for them and he worked in the store on occasion. He would let all of his karaoke friends when he was working at the store and he would give them an incredible 80% discount on whatever they "bought" and he pocketed the 20%. The store went out of business of course but all of his friends would be considered certified by Sound Choice because they have the physical discs in their possession. As long as Sound Choice got paid by the original store owner they don't care about anything else. It's ok to steal from anyone else, just not SC. :lol:


Yup, I know the store of which you speak. The KJ you described had other slimy scams running, and used to be part owner of a venue that got busted for almost any vice that you can imagine...

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Cueball, even though you removed my quote from the context in which I posted it, your rant still proves the point I was making... If someone believes they are or can be affected by the actions of another, it becomes relevant to them and is then perceived as being their business. Therefore if one has retired from a business but still feels a connection to it, the current events of that industry can still be relevant to that person.
Belittling someone for caring about something that they feel a connection to just because you disagree or don't understand is a tactic that is beneath one of your mental capacity.

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The fact is thieves exist, and they are scum. That being said, why hasn't anyone addressed the fact that the mfrs. have given thieves the ability to leave the crappy substandard torrent sites and steal factory quality product. Why did they provide a source, make it public, and never have the ability to protect it? Would you store your valuables on the front lawn, unprotected, and expect them to be there the next day?

Yup, thieves suck, but "the stupid" is equally responsible for the piracy boom.

Yes, there would be no piracy without thieves - but they have existed since the dawn of life, and aren't going away.

If one makes a valuable commoxity accessible, yet doesn't set up protection for it, one is as much at fault for the occurrence of the theft as he who steals.

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If I put a pool in my back yard and I don't put in a proper fence around it, to keep people out, and someone sneaks into my yard and drowns in the pool; I can be held responsible. I believe the pool is considered an"ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE". It is up to me to make sure that people can't get into it.

IF YOU PROVIDE THE TEMPTATION, IT IS UP TO YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY GETS INTO TROUBLE BECAUSE OF IT.

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Kuelman1 wrote:
After reading all of the rambling all over the place responses to this post all I can say is.

It really does matter, PIRACY is NOT OK.

No matter how you try to defend it!

+1, thumbs up, and like!

As the OP of this thread, I was simply trying to make a point.

Piracy is acceptable these days, although illegal, as proven by the articles about a Multirigging karaoke pirate in Mobile Beat Magazine, yet the MBLV Convention had speakers for the karaoke industry that were against piracy.
POT/KETTLE?????

Personally, I can compete with my "competitor" even though he may not have a legal library of songs. I will put my measly 8,000 karaoke songs against his 100,000 songs any day, and I will win because I provide a better product. If he went away tomorrow, I would still make the same amount of $$$ I do now. He travels about 60 miles to "compete" with me. I guess I am in unique situation since I am the only active KJ in a 60 mile radius of my town.

DISCLAIMER: I HAVE NO SOLID PROOF THAT THE KJ IN THE MOBILE BEAT ARTICLES IS A PIRATE, ONLY COMMONSENSE MAKES ME THINK HE MAY BE A PIRATE.

BTW....Piracy is NOT ok! just in case some of you :roll: missed the sarcasm. But it is something we all have to deal with, and it will probably NEVER go away.


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