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Your idea of "helping with the fight" appears to be more of a job of locating sales leads for sound choice. Otherwise, the only person getting paid from this fight is not you.



And quit they will, because it's cheaper. Trivia attracts the same number of people, costs less, and no legal exposure. If you're a bar owner, this is a no-brainer.

my time spent educating venues, hosts.and singers is done on a voluntary basis. I do not get paid in cash for my work. I do receive compensation in seeing the pirates going...going...gone, as our rates increase....as more singers return to our shows and in my own personal satisfaction that I am helping


And I enjoy knowing SC is getting a bit of what was stollen from them back as well

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Here is something to consider about our legal system, just this week there was a conviction of murder in a case that goes all the way back to early 2008 and the convicted was arrested right after the crime was commited. And I'd say a murder trial in crimminal court is much more important than cival courts trying piracy cases. So regardless of the case type, time to a case conclusion can take a long long time regardless of what outcome we desire. Patience.

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Trivia? In our market, pretty much dead thanks to the smart phones takin the fun out of it. Customers quit playin because of complaints of cheating and moved on, and venues lost customers ($$$s). But this is a discussion for another day.

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

My company does 14 trivia shows per week with more than 75 players at 4 of the shows and another that regularly has 140+ players - average ticket at most of my venues is +$15 - we make $150 for less than 2 hours work - no karaoke show in my market comes close to those numbers - who do you think the bar wants in there (since there is no chance they'll get named in a lawsuit)?

I would really be intrested in what trivia package you are using. The trivia events I have seen run here looked like a basic presentation program. Two high end venues here that were doing it quit because of complaint from players. How to fix that?

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rumbolt PM me and I'll give you the info

trivia had a short run here in my little part of the world and died pretty quickly after that.... different markets may be different

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Most likely the same reasons some karaoke shows die - host with no personality, inferior product, customers didn't have fun, bars didn't make money. It's a simple formula.

Does being named in a recent lawsuit, or one from 3 years ago, make you a pirate? If this person was "NAMED" ... who named him? Sound Choice? If they get to name people on a whim, do we get to rename them too? Just curious : ) I believe this person "NAMED" a pirate is a member of this forum ... maybe we should ask him his name to see if he agrees if his name is now PIRATE.

Unless I'm mistaken, the lawsuits filed by Slep Tone are "NAMING" people for Trademark Infringement and not for Piracy. Is there no distinction between the two? Of course there is ...

I haven't named anybody, just relaying what I know, neither have I seen anybody else on the forum naming anyone. Pretty simple to note that you're not in the karaoke business a few years and accumulate 80,000 karaoke tracks. Most independently wealthy folks are doing something else with their time. The point is SC can "prove" trademark infringement, piracy, not so much...

Look I am not a Sound Choice supporter by any stretch but if you're saying you're fighting piracy, then help the guys out you threatened and cajoled into buying your over-priced, soon-to-be-obsolete products.

The guys I know of in my market are no better off than before they became "certified" and there are just as many karaoke shows as there were before all the SC activity hit the area 3 TIMES.

Let me quote KJAthena:

It's a matter of work. A pirate ( I mean a real track thief)here has been reported over 40 times to SC, KIAA, CB, RIAA, and whatever other sites those in my network who actually believe in the mfrs. have reported to and told me about. After around 2 YEARS someone apparently read something and they had a suit filed. Since that time they have added 3 new venues and continued at old ones. Seriously, who's kidding who? The plaintiff doesn't keep track of the defendant, so any new venues know zilch. Therefore, if there is a a need to change venues, it's no problem for the defendant.

So in other words....nothing.

SC might make some money off of settlements, but in regard to "fighting piracy"? Oh please...

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Rick, I quibble over your original post regarding the "named karaoke pirate." That label can be applied to almost every KJ in Raleigh, ESPECIALLY the certified ones - I only know of two local KJs (including myself) who got their certification WITHOUT being named in a suit.
Do I support SC's effort? By and large, yes.
Do I think it's been perverted and corrupted? Yes I do.
Do I think it's helped the karaoke market here? Not a bit.

Jerry - I get what you're saying and I'm glad you agree that in spite of the filing frenzy against several folks, nothing has really changed in terms of you guys getting more gigs or being able to increase rates due to Sound Choice's extensive activity. Glad I've exited from the karaoke business caused I'd be pissed.

Gee I love quoting myself...

Anyway, an UPDATE on this, my NJ sample of SC's efforts:

Added two new venues. The funny part is that SC says that they check on those they name and notify any new venues ( in this case all new venues have been happily posted on the pirate's website) that they learn of. Using this sample, it does not seem to be true. Not only that, but the pirate doesn't seem to give a fat rat's a$$ about SC's actions, continuing to post all venues with abandon ( for sure), and still running SC tracks (as far as I know), not that it would make a difference now.

In regard to another thread, I'm guessing "The SC FEATHER dropped in Oregon...

I'm sorry, but at this time, I see them as nothing- in regard to actually fighting piracy- but a truly bad joke.

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