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Kuelman1
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:04 pm |
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Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:01 am Posts: 780 Images: 0 Location: Champaign IL Been Liked: 180 times
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I was doing a search for karaoke on craigslist and came across this ad for karaoke hard drive. Here is the website. http://www.djkjman.comThe disclaimer is a piece of work.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:42 pm |
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Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:57 pm Posts: 22978 Songs: 35 Images: 3 Location: Tacoma, WA Been Liked: 2126 times
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What a joke. Yeah he pretty much has everything known to karaoke. Send it to the powers to be over at that kiaa site.
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jdmeister
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:51 am |
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Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:12 pm Posts: 7703 Songs: 1 Location: Hollyweird, Ca. Been Liked: 1089 times
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Hahahaha Quote: You "ARE NOT" purchasing music from us. You are purchasing our services for ripping and storing "YOUR" music onto digital storage.
As a Music owner, you have full rights to have backup copies of all your Legally Purchased Music on a computer hard drive.
By purchasing any music drive, you agree that you have all original copies and that you plan on using these copies under the fair rights act. You also agree that, such music that may be in our collection that you do not lawfully own on Cd's or CDG's and that you have not purchased, you will delete from the collection or take full responsibilty of any said consequences that may occur for not having such copies.
CDG owners have the lawful right to make backup copies of the CDGs they have purchased under copyright law's fair use doctrine, which permits copies for reasonable uses. CDG owners also need to transfer the contents of the CDGs to computer hard drives both for backup purposes, and in order to make the menu of their selections more accessible for the participants. In the case of mobile Karaoke hosts, storing the contents of the CDGs on a hard drive allows them to safeguard the original CDGs in the security of their home base, and it makes their selection much easier to carry to and set up at their engagements.
In cases where congress or a court has directly considered whether consumers have the right to copy digital media, they have declined to eliminate the right to make a copy for personal use or backup, and in two relatively recent laws, they've explicitly endorsed that right. The law that exists today clearly and correctly implies that copying of legitimately-purchased Karaoke CDGs for backup and convenience is a lawful fair use of the copyrighted works on those CDGs. While a Karaoke CDG does not specifically fit into any of the specific legislative safe harbors for copying, the reasons for backups or personal use copies are just as strong for a Karaoke CDG as for the forms of digital content which have already been determined to be specifically eligible for backup and personal use copying.
The Right to Copy Digital Music
While it seems at first blush that a Karaoke CDG would be considered a digital musical recording for purposes of copyright law, in fact, in the one case that has considered the question, the courts at both the district court and appellate court level determined that because of the display of the lyrics in conjunction with the music playing, a Karaoke CDG is an audiovisual work, not a sound recording. [1].
However, of the media for which there are exceptions allowing personal use copies, Karaoke CDGs are closest in format and in form to pure digital music. The Audio Home Recording Act of 1992, (" AHRA ") represented a compromise among the competing commercial interests involved in the music industry, in which consumers received a specific exemption from infringement for copying digital music for personal use:
No action may be brought under [copyright law] alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings . [2]
This legislation clearly endorses and allows the copying of digital musical recordings (i.e., CDs and Digital Audio Tapes) for personal use. The single court that has discussed the AHRA in any detail has reaffirmed that non-commercial copying of a digital musical recording, to whatever format, is expressly allowed by the AHRA, and that is in fact one of the main purposes of the AHRA. [3] Implicit in this endorsement are two ideas. First, what the consumer buys with a digital music recording is the right to play and copy the digital music on that recording, particularly if the copying is for non-commercial uses. Second, the market for new replacement copies of digital media to replace or supplement existing copies that a consumer already owns is a less important market than the market for the first copy purchased by the consumer. This is clearly analogous to backup copies and format-changing copies of Karaoke CDG content by the owner of the CDG.
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c. staley
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:06 am |
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Joined: Thu Jun 06, 2002 7:26 am Posts: 4839 Location: In your head rent-free Been Liked: 582 times
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Interesting that they should provide a disclaimer like this. A few years ago, there was a karaoke player software company (who shall remain nameless) that would provide you with songs you stated you had on original disc to facilitate the sales of their turnkey computer KJ system.
I know this for a fact because some of their customers purchased kiosk software from me and were bragging that they didn't even have to rip any discs, just list what they owned on paper, sign it and mail it in.
This website is really no different with this disclaimer.... It's just not realistic.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:33 pm |
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Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:24 pm Posts: 5107 Location: Phoenix Az Been Liked: 1279 times
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i'm sure those that will buy a drive online will have the scruples to be honest and remove what they don't own. nice way to cover your own azz though as the seller. is it really reasonable to assume that your customers will delete what they do not own?
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jdmeister
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:10 am |
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Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:12 pm Posts: 7703 Songs: 1 Location: Hollyweird, Ca. Been Liked: 1089 times
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I'm not sure that disclaimer solves any legal liability.. He copies and sells all of theose tracks? Guilty..
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Kuelman1
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:32 am |
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Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:01 am Posts: 780 Images: 0 Location: Champaign IL Been Liked: 180 times
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And not only karaoke files but lots of music and video files as well.
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:47 am |
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jdmeister wrote: I'm not sure that disclaimer solves any legal liability.. He copies and sells all of theose tracks? Guilty.. I have seen similar adds with the same disclaimer, the hard drive is to be used as a back up for disks in your private library. I guess you are on your honor to delete all material you don't have a original for.
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red_idol
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:22 am |
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Kuelman1 wrote: I was doing a search for karaoke on craigslist and came across this ad for karaoke hard drive. Here is the website. http://www.djkjman.comThe disclaimer is a piece of work. Hey ya know... As Bull hockey as we know that Disclaimer is, they seem legit. They are placing the burden on the purchaser to make it legit. We know that wont happen... but there ya have it!
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rickgood
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:48 am |
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Joined: Tue May 31, 2011 7:09 pm Posts: 839 Location: Myrtle Beach, SC Been Liked: 224 times
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So nobody from Sound Choice or Chartbuster would like to speak with him? Seems like you could cut off a lot of piracy before it begins but I haven't seen this guy on any filings. Come on cheerleaders, rally to the cause!
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Wall Of Sound
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:56 am |
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Joined: Thu May 06, 2010 10:35 am Posts: 691 Location: Carson City, NV Been Liked: 0 time
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rickgood wrote: So nobody from Sound Choice or Chartbuster would like to speak with him? Seems like you could cut off a lot of piracy before it begins but I haven't seen this guy on any filings. Come on cheerleaders, rally to the cause! Be patient. The FBI is probably involved.
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:07 am |
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Wall Of Sound wrote: rickgood wrote: So nobody from Sound Choice or Chartbuster would like to speak with him? Seems like you could cut off a lot of piracy before it begins but I haven't seen this guy on any filings. Come on cheerleaders, rally to the cause! Be patient. The FBI is probably involved. Yeah I'm sure he has a high priority with the Feds with everything else they are dealing with these days.
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Wall Of Sound
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:47 am |
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Joined: Thu May 06, 2010 10:35 am Posts: 691 Location: Carson City, NV Been Liked: 0 time
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The Lone Ranger wrote: Wall Of Sound wrote: rickgood wrote: So nobody from Sound Choice or Chartbuster would like to speak with him? Seems like you could cut off a lot of piracy before it begins but I haven't seen this guy on any filings. Come on cheerleaders, rally to the cause! Be patient. The FBI is probably involved. Yeah I'm sure he has a high priority with the Feds with everything else they are dealing with these days. Educate Thyself! http://www.thekiaa.org/images/WARRANT_f ... nStern.pdfviewtopic.php?f=1&t=19470&hilit=+dan+stern
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timberlea
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:38 pm |
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Joined: Wed Sep 04, 2002 12:41 pm Posts: 4094 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada Been Liked: 309 times
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Like most police agencies, the FBI has different sections specializing in different areas such as terrorism, kidnapping, interstate robberies, organized crime gangs, copyright, and the like. Further they are not in the habit of advertising their operations until cases are solved, if even then.
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kjathena
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:22 pm |
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Joined: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:51 pm Posts: 1636 Been Liked: 73 times
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you are correct it took 2 years before the FBI was able to jump in on the "Karaoke Candy Store" case...we may not like it but patience is required...one good thing tho the FBI does collect all sales records when they "pop um" so at least they know where to look for those who purchased the HD ...and I would have to say it will be soon that no-one will be able to say they didnt know what was going on (maybe an exception for those living under rocks...)
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DJPro
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:48 pm |
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Here's the seller's info: Joseph "Joe" Thomas 2627 S. 8th Street Springfield, IL 62703 217-370-1553 sirdj1968@yahoo.comkoolkaraoke09@yahoo.comWebsite: http://www.djkjman.comFacebook page cached from July 2011 no longer exists, but it lists him in Jacksonville, IL: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-aAnother ad says he's in TN, but the address he gives to send the MoneyGram (he prefers this over Credit Cards, duh!) is the one above: http://www.spreadmyad.com/memphis/merch ... 000-tn-350***This guy is a real piece of work. I've been looking into his business and have talked to several people who bought from him. He is very responsive before he gets your money. Once you've paid, he will send you a drive, but it won't have on it everything you paid for. He most commonly leaves off the videos promised in the package. There will be about 1000 less songs than you pay for, as well. IF you can get him to respond at all by email/text/phone to try to resolve the issue, he immediately gets very defensive and rude. Warns you that if you send him any more "harassing" emails, he will "cut you off" from the year of free updates he has promised. Those updates will never be seen, regardless. He has stated that he has been selling those drives for 5 years and that he has had 800+ customers! He also will tell buyers that he is going out of business, and will give a deadline to purchase at those prices. However, he continues to sell the drives and has shown no intention of stopping as recently as mid-September 2011. Hope this helps someone out there NOT get ripped off! Feel free to share this info with anyone thinking of purchasing from http://www.djkjman.com.
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