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Good point Joe, and i do know you're against the Methodology. But let me ask you this, the law suits are increasing in success and i don't hear of many cases of someone not guilty being caught up in them, off hand i can think of 4 , and 3 of them talk about how they support Sound Choice still and are not upset at all. Noone is perfect and i feel like their success rate shows a lot better investigation techniques than some give them credit, or there just are that many people pirating karaoke that they can name whoever and have a 99 percent success rate. That would scare me almost more than not having perfect investigations, because what does that say for the industry we're in?

Again all i'm saying is i feel they are within their rights to try and recoup some of their losses and to understand my point of view i'll tell you the way i always look at things - " putting myself in others shoes ". I've walked in the shoes of someone sued by Sound Choice so i can see that view clearly and can speak to what that means. Now, i have to try to put myself in the place of those at Sound Choice who have been fired due to piracy killing their company, and in the shoes of those still at the company trying to save it and honestly i feel in a fair way. They give the opportunity to settle at a very reasonable cost and without destroying the lives of those who have made a mistake. There are many other company's that would try and destroy the guilty by suing for hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars. Sound Choice is trying to save their business , and i honestly feel doing it in a very fair way.

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1) We see this part from different perspectives, Lone. As far as I know, there has never been a single "successful lawsuit" by SC, simply because after 3 years, nothing has ever gone to court.

If you mean that SC is making money through their tactics - which I find unethical ( and again, so far it's JUST SC that's doing things as they are)- then yes, it has proven to be financially beneficial to SC.

If you mean that you believe they are doing ANYTHING worthwhile to stop piracy, both KURT and I disagree. I've spoken to Kurt, believe it or not, and it WAS a civil conversation! Do I believe that SC has gotten screwed royally by pirates? Of course. The thing is, they are not targeting pirates to recoup losses, just anyone they can find who runs a PC based show.


2) So again, I have no issue with recouping losses, but disagree on how "fairly" they go about it.

Now I KNOW CB is working on indepenent suits of their own, yet I have yet to hear of any sloppy work, or innocent KJs getting hassled by them. Could it be that though they are out to recoup their losses as well, they might actually be doing it in a correct and fair manner?

I'm not saying they are or they aren't, but only that the question is on my mind.

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I believe the "success rate" that you claim is not as high as you think it is. SC has made "mistakes" (if you care to minimize them with that label) and has quietly slinked away with a confidentiality agreement. I know that they've gone after KJ's with computers and given permission to use the trademark on their computer with NO audit and no continuing lawsuit. (Don't ask who, because it's a ridiculous question that will never be answered.)


Did you walk in the shoes of those employed or owners of Sound Choice when they made HUNDREDS of tracks FOR YEARS they sold for MILLIONS without licensing? Did you "put yourself in their pirate shoes?" Would you call that a "simple mistake" when it was intentional piracy? Of course, the response to that is "They paid restitution" but that doesn't negate their illicit profits nor does it polish their character to gleaming brightness of innocence either.

They are what they are.

But Staley, you aren't boycotting Sound Choice now due to their past practices in licensing are you? If that was the case as was stated before you'd have to boycott Sweet Georgia Brown, Supercore , and a whole lot of other karaoke i'm sure. If Sound Choice was sued for making these illegal tracks and as you said had to pay restitution, then how is that any different from them suing for the material stolen from them?

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Right from the double standard mouth of "Speculation & Hearsay"

YAWN....

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So how are those THOUSANDS of All Hits, SuperCore, RadioStarz & Karaoke Hits that made MILLIONS for those who made them without licensing working out for you at your shows now since you no longer use SC products?

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