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Last year when most of the regulars jumped all over a grandma in New Zealand for wanting to download a few karaoke songs for her grand kids for use at home at chrismas I was totally ashamed of this nation. Why in the hell is a karaoke forum dominated by manus woes and the rights of the original starving artists? You would think that positive Kj's would offer up some solutions but they have been run off by the extremists whose opinion is more important than the welfare of thousands of kj's.

This forum is controlled by trolls and they run off newbies as soon as they join. This forum turns me off so much Let me tell you what I have an enginering degree and a bsee in computers there is only one here that has more knowledge than me in sound systems that is Lonnie I do not like giving tech advise (it was my profession for many years) and unless the asker is female I wont give much advise  LMAO

This is a last attempt to turn this forum into a forum to promote karaoke and talk about the rights of kj's and singers. And come up with some positive ideas how to make it legal and productive, This the first business I have invested so much money in and the returns are so few. Yet any of the ideas I come up with are hijacked by the extremists

Will the real Kj's please come back and start posting some positive ideas on how we can solve our dilemma? And start talking about Kj rtights and singers rights!!

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Well,  You've given me advice plenty of times.  But I suppose I shouldn't admit to this here Of course last GF I had gapped my spark plugs and changed my oil cuz I didn't want to break a nail !   Not to mention, real men know that Oil and greasy car engines are Yechhy !!!!!!

Ollie, in the defense of the tech forum, AND other KS forums, while LAST YEAR there was somewhat of a resurgence in short-fused posting by ONLY a few, since Lonnie, Jian, and a few others have been watching over the forum THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED !   Nobody that I've seen has gotten jumped in the tech forum lately, and the site HAS been a more friendly understanding place.  To keep bringing up what was, but hasn't been lately isn't really fair..  Lonnie, and Jian, and the old regs are currently doing a GREAT JOB of keeping this forum a fun and friendly place..  Let's not stir up what hasn't been in a LONG time..  Let's hope people will remain this understanding !  Since at least mid-late 06 this forum HAS been mellow regarding welcoming newbies and tolerance with a few exceptions of "rage" by regs who had to be removed, etc...  and that is never avoidable here and there in a large forum !  That was addressed by Jian, Phill and all !  There haven't been attacks to anyones character that those of us giving and taking didn't deserve and take care of and let go... Normal exchanges with nobody ganging up on newbies or ANYONE lately !  Those days hopefully are gone !  When I get told my place, I've deserved it however when I've defended myself it's been allowed, and all quickly blows over... We've had a very fair amount of freedom in these forums,  and there hasn't been "bullying" in probably at least close to a year... Or at least NONE in '07

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Whut?

Oh yeah,  and Jerry !    I forgot to add Jerry  

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This is 07 OMG Im still back in 69!!! Steven if we cant have fun here and everybody here wants get so damn serious get a life!~!!!

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karyoker @ Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:36 pm wrote:
Last year when most of the regulars jumped all over a grandma in New Zealand for wanting to download a few karaoke songs for her grand kids for use at home at chrismas I was totally ashamed of this nation. Why in the hell is a karaoke forum dominated by manus woes and the rights of the original starving artists? You would think that positive Kj's would offer up some solutions but they have been run off by the extremists whose opinion is more important than the welfare of thousands of kj's.

This forum is controlled by trolls and they run off newbies as soon as they join. This forum turns me off so much Let me tell you what I have an enginering degree and a bsee in computers there is only one here that has more knowledge than me in sound systems that is Lonnie I do not like giving tech advise (it was my profession for many years) and unless the asker is female I wont give much advise  LMAO

This is a last attempt to turn this forum into a forum to promote karaoke and talk about the rights of kj's and singers. And come up with some positive ideas how to make it legal and productive, This the first business I have invested so much money in and the returns are so few. Yet any of the ideas I come up with are hijacked by the extremists

Will the real Kj's please come back and start posting some positive ideas on how we can solve our dilemma? And start talking about Kj rtights and singers rights!!


Whut?

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I've got one here in 1975.  You should see the colors on this Peter Max blacklight poster Karyoker, amazing warm reds, hotpinks, and cold blues and whites... In 30 years when I meet you, I'll let you know about this stuff,  until then,  later hip guy !
Need to roll a doob, and get some SC (Southern Comfort) with Pabst chasers lined up !  Also, Time to take off this quiana nylon disco shirt, and pewter neckless, and get these clogs off,  damn blisters are hurting !  This Donna Summers bass sequencer disco crap sucks,  let's dance is a sucky song !  Sick of ABBA too.   Cool and the Gang, BTxpress, and Ohio players are great funk !

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I thought this was a karaoke forum When this forum starts talking about Kj's rights and singers rights I will return In the meantime (@$%&#!) you

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well, this is a DISCUSSION forum, and in the meantime, don't let the door hit you on the a**!

I can't tell when he's laughing hysterically, or when he's throwing a hissy fit.  Sheesh Karyoker, how the F is anybody supposed to read you when one moment your laughing your (@$%&#!) off, and the next moment your flipping off the room.
Are you retaining water ?

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the man freely has admitted he posts on here after drinking, like Big Jimmy C.

I stopped taking him seriously a long time ago!

Karaokyr, I don't understand what you don't get!!!

If a homeless person were to ask for your help in stealing a loaf of bread from a national grocery store chain, or one of your fellow employee needed $12 to help pay their rent or else they were going to be evicted and wanted you to help them skim it from customers at a multinational corporation, would the small MAGNITUDE of the crime or the circumstances surrounding the crime make it any less of a crime?

Is it OK for a grandma to steal two songs without paying for them? If it is OK for that grandma, is it then OK for the other tens of millions of grandmas in the world to steal just two songs each for their grandkids at Christmas? If, instead of 10,000,000 grandmas stealing 2 songs each, can we forego the grandmas and just let me steal 10,000,000 songs myself?

Let's change the items involved. The going rate for a pack of gum is about $1. The going rate for a music download is about $1. Is it OK for grandma to go steal two packs of gum from her local store for stocking stuffers for her kids at Christmas? Can the 10,000,000 grandmas in the world then do the same? Can we again forego the grandmas stealing anything and I personally go steal 10,000,000 packs of gum from the Wrigley's plant to sell overseas? Why not? It is a $10,000,000 gross loss to the gum company no matter who does it and for what intent, so what does it matter if it is me for my own reason (to redistribute at a profit) or grandma (to give to her kids at Christmas)?

So, let's now change it back. If the going rate for a song download is $1, and it is quite OK for the grandma that wants to download two songs for her kids to do so, isn't that a $10,000,000 gross loss to the music industry, just like if I had personally stolen 10,000,000 songs (or, say, 1,000,000 CDs)?

Just like the Wrigley plant has put labor and the costs of raw materials into CREATING and DISTRBUTING their product (gum) for sale at market, musical artists and music companies have put their labor, creativity, and the cost of materials into creating and distributing their music. Just because it is a creative medium doesn't make it any less valuable than any other good or service. That is like saying it is OK to steal a Monet painting and leave $20.58 for it because that is the cost of the actual time and materials used to create it. The fact that ONLY that artist had the unique talent and creativity to create that painting or that song, and WITHOUT them it would not exist makes it inherently valuable, which has been a fact of all highly creative "products" throughout human history.

So the bottom line is: If you BENEFIT from the artist and record company that created that inherently valuable service (the song) WITHOUT compensating them for it, IT IS STEALING. How would you feel if you worked for 40 hours next week but your company only paid you for 39 hours? It is only an hour, after all.

The scale and intent of the theft is irrelevant.

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 LMAO  LOL  LOL

Matt I couldnt drag up my newbie intro But I clearly stated I am retired sometimes retarded and never take me serious. But sometimes these youngins piss me off They think the world owes them a living and uncle sam should take care of all their problems. I will stop short of jumping on soap box and be quiet awhile

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Let me put it this way. I doubt very seriously if any of you preachers here have been homeless on the streets fighting an addiction and not a penny in your pocket.I Have .. That is when you learn who you are who your higher power is. I have done it I didnt steal lie or bend many rules do it. You pick yourself up by the bootstraps and you acquire a life again. Some of the attitudes on here I wonder if you really own a system and if you do did your mommy buy it? You want the feds to bust some KJ down the street because he only charges $75 a night and he is ILLEGAL. As a profseesional I put them out of business Compete with him you little wimp..If you think the feds are going to solve your petty business competition problems like illegal corps do.. Get a life. Get real.

I do not need some kid on here that has no respect for his his elders or elders opinions what  legal or illegal I come from a generation that if you accuse me of professional legalities or unprofessional ethics l come unglued If you were to walk in my bar with those accusations or attitude I have have you out in the back...In the first place real business owners dont engage in this practice.All the professional KJ's in this area have a very good working relationship with each other .You can preach to all the sinners but dont  your finger at me I will break it.I am tired of the over and over and over crap!!!

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Wrong, karaoker.

WHERE do you come off being so high and mighty? I've been homeless, jobless, and changed career fields three times due to being blacklisted and unable to get a job in my chosen career field once.

STOP trying to be all this bull. I'm SICK of YOUR preaching!

Now I've been pulled in !   While I don't consider myself a preacher (regarding what a man is, does, or is gaged by), NOR do I bask in "poor me" land,  *You* haven't a clue how many times I've been in detox, nor have you any concept of where I've slept, how many park benches I've passed out on, how many restaurant monkey houses I've slept in and washed dishes free for a few nights just so I could have a roof over my head. You haven't a clue how many low income rooming house basements I've shared in cities with Ex-Angels, Smack dealers, Cross-addicts, Escapee's from fed pen sentenced for homicide, You have NO clue how much alcohol I consumed EVERY day barring NO days,  which vastly exceeds your 6 years at sea. You boast of knowing life on the street, but I doubt you know what it's like to have to hustle for Smack, to keep from freaking out given such an illness of addiction, and survive in an atmosphere with big wig dope dealers, I doubt you know what it's like to have such a tough time being sober you are inhaling ether, choroform, and other chem lab subtances just to put yourself to sleep and NOT belonging to the college who's lab you had to sneak into, and this gives NOBODY bragging rights, NOR does it give "sage", and "life experience" that ANYBODY should ever be proud of,  that's stupid thinking ! (Not to mention bringing this crap up as a one-upping ploy in a Karaoke venue);  You haven't a clue how many times I mainlined junk, how close to death I came, or the fact that my life was timed, and chances of my living beyond 27 were medically improbable do to extent of liver-damage, and addiction. You don't know anything about the affects that's currently had on me, WHY ?  Because this IS NOT the place to be talking like this, people want to have fun and SING in here.  Not here about your "tough" life, and what a "real man" is and does from your tunnel-visioned perspective !



So let me put it this way !  Before you continue to boast titles FEW that have come close to winning (such dubious honors of holding) would even wish to admit to or mention as a "right of passage" regarding ANY area of life, ESPECIALLY in a Karaoke room (where NOBODY GIVES a rat's patooty how "manly" "how political", or how much sage *you believe* you have),  HOW a person conducts themselves with others in THESE rooms for all intent and purposes is ALL that matters, the other side-stuff in moderation is fine, but it's hardly impressive to anybody other than YOU Karyoker.  You can preach what "being a man" is in your perspective, however in the perspective of MANY others being a man is "stability" meaning consistency, sobriety, and NOT exposing friends to manic-moodswing regardless of HOW many times you've "tipped your hat for a woman". It's how you treat Male and female aquaintances in the PRESENT, without the ongoing reminders telling all of "your sage", "who you were", "how much of a man you are because of", but instead a "man" allows others to formulate their own opinions regarding the type of person they are by acting the part, not TYPING it. Spend less time trying to tell people that you're a man, and devote some time to doing something for yourself, and becoming a man..It's how one conducts themselves in these rooms that ALSO makes one "A man",  not typed constant reminders from a person typing about his manliness !

I edited this out, but I'm going to add it again, because ANY person that acts like you've been acting lately deserves to see this, because this is not what many consider "being a man"

NOBODY deserves to be at the receiving end of manic mood-swing whether alcohol induced, mental illness induced or not !  One minute you state "I hope you didn't take me seriously, I am laughing hysterically", and within minutes (and without provocation) you are telling those trying to be decent to you despite an obvious problem going on, to "F___ off" without comprehensible cause (while you act ridiculously arrogant and condescending).

Adults, teens, kids ALL have friggin problems, many A LOT tougher to deal with, but adults have a responsibility to deal with their own issues the proper way, AND in the proper places. Which means knowing how to integrate ourselves in social "singing room" settings EVEN when stressed. Similarly knowing when NOT to interact, and how not to interact in certain social environments (especially when feeling strong aggressive behaviour from a "high", and a compulsion to dump and project garbage onto others). ALL of us have to leave an element of baggage outside before entering these types of forums.  Those that can't... Oh well,  Let them convince a room of singers how "manly" they are by typing about it, because it appears to be the closest they can come.

And what is "Manly" about this type wishy-washy behaviour ?
While you strongly believe and preach that "illegal" karaoke and  illegal KJ chatter belongs out've the forum, (since few qualify to have a clue regarding legalities in this area), when there is no illegal KJ chatter going on, you pull a 180 and start posting headings "Illegal Karaoke", getting angry at those that won't engage in controversy. Where's the logic ?  Drunk or sober it's BS !

Nobody trying to be decent to another person deserves to ride such a rollercoaster.


Some of us had your same :illness:,  BUT we did something about it !  Decided to live !   I'm not friends with anybodies alcohol induced personality.  Alcohol has a stupid, and babyish personality when it emerges in a person. It lacks judgement, and is full of the "poor me's", and that's hardly "manly".

Any person that's going to pontificate "being a man" to me better gosh darn well have the strength to treat his fellow man consistently !  I'm the least religious person anybody will likely know but I'm spiritual enough to know "Do unto others" is a must !



Than start practicing what you "Preach", and leave out behaviour that hasn't existed in these rooms within the past 10 months such as "attacking newbies regarding illegal karaoke"..  That's the past,  let it go, get over it, stop ruminating about it... You're the only one that can't let things go.  Just as you run on incessantly about your own feelings, others have feelings to they periodically wish to expound on, difference is *THEY* keep it in context !

Fact is Karyoker,  While you make statements such as "you folks are babies, and your mommies buy you...etc",  the only individual that's been throwing tantrums typical of a 4 year old in here has been YOU lately.  Not to mention the vacillating moods of a manic nutcase !

You might as well copy and paste this, and send it over and over again, because it'd be more convincing than the mannerism of conveying your messages as of this past week



I don't care how old you are,  GROW UP !

After-all,  EVERYBODY in a Karaoke forum just LOVES hearing stories about how you'd bloody a mans nose in a bar for calling you a thief, because what better place is there to tell such stories  :no:  In the meantime, your making a blazing jack@ss out've yourself.  So before suckerpunching your friends with a F--- you without provocation within minutes of telling everybody "you aren't serious" realize this is the type of respect you have earned ! Because drunk or sober, rational, or totally manic you are ONE name on a screen that people either can, or can not relate to,  Others have feelings as well, and relate consistently to those that are consistent.

"A Man" doesn't constantly tell individuals he's never met,  likely never will meet (in a Karaoke internet room) that he's a man while in attempting to do-so emasculating himself  by showing his tremendous weaknesses.



True,  like the preacher that started this thread to keep it going on and on and on, go out back and break the three fingers pointing back at yourself !  You think others spew crap, and your repetition is full of sage  ?    LMAO

NOW you've got me laughing hysterically !!!!   You sure win the '07 virtual "Duck Duck Goose" philosopher of manliness award!!!!

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Sephen, Matt, Thank-you I would have liked to post something similiar a number of months ago. However I was sure I would have gotten a whole lot more personal and would have gotten 86'd  from this site.
Tkanks Again

Sorry I do not respect the opinions of anyone, regardless of age, who engage and/or encourage others to blatently break laws.  Being older does not give you special permission to decide what laws you can abide by and what ones you don't.  Exactly what age makes you an "elder"  and more importantly why are there senior citizens in prison.

Do I respect my elders?  In the vast majority of cases I do, but it's not guaranteed.

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Agreed 100% !  In fact it's because I DO have GREAT respect for my elders that I hold them to higher standards than what I'm seeing in Ollies behaviour.  Those of us that ARE older should try to teach by example, or not try at all, especially in an international forum with people from all walks, age-brackets, etc. I VERY seldom respond to my elders like this.  I hope to learn from them !

BUT,  more importantly, when those I respect that are older fall ill to substance I have a responsibility to not sit around while they destroy themselves keeping my mouth shut.  "Heal Thyself" for starters, and get help..  Alcohol binging isn't something that should be accepted by a talented person who's drinking his life away living in the past like this, snap out of it, sober up and LIVE today !  Not behave like this.  He deserves to know and see how he's coming across !

and he knows,  when a man dishes it out, a mans going to get it back !!



Another fabulous point !  And as you've stated Tim, Elder does not always equate to "Doing the right thing", "sage", or "talent"..  As much as I hate to admit it, there are kids in their 20's and 30's that have character that I'll likely NEVER have !  Kids half my age (in terms of years) that appear to me stronger and better "men" than I can ever hope to be based solely upon my own standards of what maturity, strength, and ethical constitution of a man means.  Even regarding skill, What I've strived to become, there exist in this world 6 year olds that surpass that.  "Elder" and "Age" is an earned respect, not an entitlement or license to become wreckless. The behaviour  has stricter standards ascribed as a result of achieving such a "point" in ones life. Hence titles such as "Honorable" "Prof" "Master" "Philosopher", are EARNED titles, not titles of self-acclaim.

AND, factually whether we like it or not we get to an "age" where it's the younger folks that decide the path of the world that evolves inspite and despite of us, not all good, not all bad, it's always been that way. It's the younger we must learn from, and that's a never ending process since nothing in social structure remains static. It's the YOUNGER that will hopefully save our lives when we are on the operating table, and finally those that will continue carrying on after we die.  Older also means wisdom to give up control WE DON'T have !  wisdom to see virtue in those younger when THEY are the ones that are :doing the right thing:

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To bring this back to Karaoke.  I haven't a clue in the entertainment world what place labels such as "Liberal" & "Conservative" have.  If "Liberal" means change, it's certainly "Liberal" and even "Radical" that seems to impact the artistic areas of life, and these areas of emotion input evolution in artform (an outlet or means of expression).  Years ago I decided classical music wasn't my thing, I was a "liberal", today being stuck in the classic rock, analog, ballad genre of music makes me not just perhaps in the artistic world "Conservative", but also a "stick in the mud".

Arts change VERY fast,  I have NO right to call todays Rock "junk" although it gets tough for me at times to bite my tongue, I'm wrong in judging that which I lack a reference point for. My own exposure isn't by anymeans a prototype of "what is". It's just my own truth, or fallacy (as things evolve) in the arts.

Regarding Karaoke.  It's a few generations down the road from the days of the Bar polka-band accordian player. It's something I know little to nothing about. How does this tie in ?  It's the YOUNGER that can teach me assuming I am wise enough to know about that which I have no knowledge of,  to humble myself enough to learn what is, and not remain stuck in my past. To never allow myself to become so obstinate I stop growing, and learning new ways.  Who taught me this ?  My 70 year old mother.  What was wrong when I was a kid was just a social norm at THAT time, it was NEVER fact !  segregation, gender priviledge, ALL changed because of what many call "The Liberals" and "Extremists" during their time.  In different cultures tipping ones hat for a woman might get your head cutoff for all you know !! In some areas men aren't brought up wearing hats. The "John Wayne" stereotype of "male behaviour" has harmed more males than has helped them to "become men". People aren't made of steel, people screw up... That's what's real.

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