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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:06 am 
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i have been training my singing voice with karaoke ......and i must say i have gone pretty good with the tunes & nodes........................
but the problem is, that my voice always sounds like a blocked nose .....it has been like this forever..........even though i dont have a blocked nose
is there any vocal exercise to change  that .......so i dont sound like a blocked nose............its like i have no treble in my voice..........................
or maybe my accent is like a blocked nose........??!!!!
any ideas, tips or any great research u have plz post it ......................
help me out ......plz.....


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Experiment with different mics whether cheap or not..  Then learn mic tecniques . For lows the mic is held close. For highs it is pulled away or tilted.  Lisp for example is reduced by holding the mic above the mouth and tilted down..

Also this is a case for a stage monitor that is heavy on the vocal with no FX and learn how to use it for improving.. Also recording helps with vocal tecniques for you hear what it exactly sounds like.

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I don't think the problem is your equipment but rather the way you sing.  Here's a simple test.  Hold you nose closed and sing, loudly.  If there is a noticable difference in your sound other than the muting of certain sounds such as the "n" sound.  You're singing through your nose.  Don't do that.  Get a swimmer's nose clamp at a sporting goods store practice singing with that in place.  It will hurt at first but your sound will be greatly improved in the end.

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I, too, think it's the way you're singing. I've seen people get that "trained" out of them.

Some times, it's even a medical condition, the nasal passage is very narrow. Is your speaking voice the same? If not, it's most likely the way you're singing... as exweed is saying.

Or heck, just sing the really old bluegrass songs.... the old bluegrass singers were  known for that:)

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Although it probably is the way you sing, it may also be the shape of your nose and nasal passages.  Many singers won't get nose jobs for just this reason.

    Experinment with the advice given above, including singing close and across the top of the mic ( mic near bottom lip ).  Also, CHANGE THAT MIC!   For instance RSQ P series mics make EVERYONE sound like that...

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BlueStainedShoes @ Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:11 pm wrote:
Or heck, just sing the really old bluegrass songs.... the old bluegrass singers were  known for that:)
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LOL

I have a bit of the problem, as well.  All I did was practice singing while consciously letting the air come from my nose.  

I'm sure I still have a bit of it, but I know it's improved a lot.


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well my talking voice is also a blocked nose sound.........................but not always.............
i will try all the above given ideas ....
thankx ppl .................dont stop posting any new tips....!!!

and exweedfarmer have u ever tried this or seen anyone try this.........ur technique sounds to be a good ......i am gonna try it !!!
lets see what happens...!!!


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blow your nose before you sing to ensure the nasal passages are clear. A friend of mine also sniffs salt water up her nose
sounds yuk but she has a voice to die for

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how does she sniff's salt water up, explain in detail .......so i can do it also.................how to do it ????


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You think you have problems now Wait until you have to do a regular ear wax cleaning and make sure your teeth are glued in tight... LMAO

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waqaskool @ Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:30 pm wrote:
how does she sniff's salt water up, explain in detail .......so i can do it also.................how to do it ????


Actually my doctor also recommended this to clear sinus passages.
Very minor discomfort for a few seconds...well worth it.

Mix table salt and luke warm water (just the same as if you were to gargle with it)
Put a little on a teaspoon and plug one nostril while you sniff it up the other nostril.
Sniff it up your nostril until you feel go through...you will know.
Have kleenex ready!
Do other nostril the same way.

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waqaskool @ Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:30 pm wrote:
how does she sniff's salt water up, explain in detail .......so i can do it also.................how to do it ????


I do too:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_irrigation

I can't recommend it highly enough. I also had a septoplasty to correct a deviated septum, which is common with people who have difficulty breathing from their nose. I can now breathe, and it helps my singing immensely. When I couldn't breathe through my nose I had to manage every little breath, now I have some margin for error.


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thankx......................ppl.................
i am gonna try this salt water thingy ........tommorow
lets see what happens.........
i will post  the results here......
until then keep on the genius ideas ppl....


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  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_irrigation

I can't recommend it highly enough. I also had a septoplasty to correct a deviated septum, which is common with people who have difficulty breathing from their nose. I can now breathe, and it helps my singing immensely. When I couldn't breathe through my nose I had to manage every little breath, now I have some margin for error.

Never heard of it Im having pollen and allergy problems now which I never had Does it help with allergy sinus problems?

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waqaskool @ Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:57 pm wrote:
well my talking voice is also a blocked nose sound.........................but not always.............
i will try all the above given ideas ....
thankx ppl .................dont stop posting any new tips....!!!

and exweedfarmer have u ever tried this or seen anyone try this.........ur technique sounds to be a good ......i am gonna try it !!!
lets see what happens...!!!


Yep.  This is a tried and true method.  Please do it in private, as you will probably sound terrible at first and it might even give you a headache.  If it hurts; STOP!

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karyoker @ Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:59 pm wrote:
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  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_irrigation

I can't recommend it highly enough. I also had a septoplasty to correct a deviated septum, which is common with people who have difficulty breathing from their nose. I can now breathe, and it helps my singing immensely. When I couldn't breathe through my nose I had to manage every little breath, now I have some margin for error.

Never heard of it Im having pollen and allergy problems now which I never had Does it help with allergy sinus problems?

Absolutely.

I like the baby syringe method. (I am skeptical of those who say "sniff it".) I put 1/4tsp of baking soda and 1/4tsp of non-iodized salt with very warm water in an 8oz measuring cup and mix well. Then I take one of those bulb baby ear syringes (2-3 bucks at a discount store) and fill it, and tilt my head over sideways and "inject" it in the nose. It should flow out the other side. I do it twice on each side, then gently blow my nose without blocking a nostril.

Another method is:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jala_Neti


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mckyj57 @ Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:32 am wrote:
(I am skeptical of those who say "sniff it".)


Why do you say that?
Can't it be possible that there is more than one recommended way to irrigate your sinuses?
This was the way a Medical Doctor instructed me to do it and ya know what?
It works!...just fine, thank you!

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hmmm I would kinda think that for a quick fix the baking soda would defeat the purpose...why would you want all that fizzing going on?
from what I understand, sniffing the saline can and should be done just before singing

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RLC @ Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:59 am wrote:
mckyj57 @ Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:32 am wrote:
(I am skeptical of those who say "sniff it".)


Why do you say that?
Can't it be possible that there is more than one recommended way to irrigate your sinuses?
This was the way a Medical Doctor instructed me to do it and ya know what?
It works!...just fine, thank you!

That's fine. I just have researched it nine ways from Sunday, reading many references, and never heard of it in that way. I believe the first reference was to a  *friend* that sniffed it, and that is second-hand information. That is why I say skeptical.

Show me some kind of reference that describes it that way, and I might become unskeptical. 8-)


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MorganLeFey @ Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:22 am wrote:
hmmm I would kinda think that for a quick fix the baking soda would defeat the purpose...why would you want all that fizzing going on?
from what I understand, sniffing the saline can and should be done just before singing

What fizzing? It isn't soda water, it is baking soda, which is used to balance the pH of the solution and prevent irritation. Try dissolving some baking soda in water and see how much fizz you get....

Also, with regard to doing it right before singing, I wouldn't. There is often some residual water that takes a while to resolve it's way out of your sinuses. I would recommend waiting a half-hour or so.


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