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HELP... I've noticed that ocassionally a disc or track sounds much better than the average one, which requires no adjustment. Once in a while, however, a recording is so bad that without some tweeking (often of the EQ settings) nothing, not the background or the singer can possible sound good. This is, of course, happens more often when you're using the singer's disk and is, therefore, a complete surprise when it occurs.

What do you "call it" when you have to change settings because of a recording? Any suggestions as to how one can determine the required adjustment quickly.

Okay. Great. My wife and I have been practicing (even having friends over) to determine when and how to adjust to individual variables, as just noted. I think we're learning and getting better all the time.

As an aside, I've been following (trying to follow) the information being provided in the EQ thread. Some info I've printed out just in the hope that with time it will become more understandable to me.

Now, based upon the responses to my question herein, I can't see how I could leave my settings untouched throughout an entire show. Does this observation have any bearing on the discussion in that other thread where it seems to me that someone has taken the position that you set your equipment once and leave it (forever) there?

I will field this question. I proposed a theory that it is indeed possible to leave the settings untouched. That said, I am keenly aware of how my equipment sounds and should sound and how I like it to sound. Some disc manufacturers are putting out crappy sounding discs Most of them are out of business. I try to use high quality manufacturers.

Could you set your system to remain untouched is the $1,000,000 question? I'll PM you some info to try.

Set it and forget it, EQing is possible. I have proven it 100%. 14 years of testing. 3 different systems and many different barroom configurations.

Author:	ericlater [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:30 am ]
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HELP... I've noticed that ocassionally a disc or track sounds much better than the average one, which requires no adjustment. Once in a while, however, a recording is so bad that without some tweeking (often of the EQ settings) nothing, not the background or the singer can possible sound good. This is, of course, happens more often when you're using the singer's disk and is, therefore, a complete surprise when it occurs. What do you "call it" when you have to change settings because of a recording? Any suggestions as to how one can determine the required adjustment quickly.

Author:	jamkaraoke [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:00 pm ]
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It's not unusual when changing CDG's that you will notice that the Volume isn't the same Overall tones are not the same ( more bass less bass etc) Some Mfgs just produce BETTER quality recordings using better backup singers better musicians , better recording equipment etc. This is what distinguishes the TOP from the bottom of the CDG companies. This is the reason most pro KJ's will tweak and fine tune the settings on each and every song and singer. Maybe not the main EQ but at least the channel strips high mid and lows. When you say customer discs ARE THEY ORIGINALS? maybe they are just very bad copies ???!!!

Author:	Lonman [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:08 pm ]
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ericlater @ Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:30 am wrote: HELP... I've noticed that ocassionally a disc or track sounds much better than the average one, which requires no adjustment. Once in a while, however, a recording is so bad that without some tweeking (often of the EQ settings) nothing, not the background or the singer can possible sound good. This is, of course, happens more often when you're using the singer's disk and is, therefore, a complete surprise when it occurs. Very common, every disc manu is different in the way the record, produce & master their product. Quote: What do you "call it" when you have to change settings because of a recording? Any suggestions as to how one can determine the required adjustment quickly. What do they call it? I call it needing to eq the song personally, no real term coined for it. Suggestions to determine, listen to a song you know sounds good & when you get a song that don't have that fidelity - you can usually tell if the highs are too low or high by really bright or dull sounding or when the lows are too low or high by no low end response or too boomy - then adjust accordingly. There is no one way, it's all an ear thing, you need to hear the deficincies in the eq & know which knobs to tweak.

Author:	ericlater [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:35 pm ]
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Okay. Great. My wife and I have been practicing (even having friends over) to determine when and how to adjust to individual variables, as just noted. I think we're learning and getting better all the time. As an aside, I've been following (trying to follow) the information being provided in the EQ thread. Some info I've printed out just in the hope that with time it will become more understandable to me. Now, based upon the responses to my question herein, I can't see how I could leave my settings untouched throughout an entire show. Does this observation have any bearing on the discussion in that other thread where it seems to me that someone has taken the position that you set your equipment once and leave it (forever) there?

Author:	Guest [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:41 am ]
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I will field this question. I proposed a theory that it is indeed possible to leave the settings untouched. That said, I am keenly aware of how my equipment sounds and should sound and how I like it to sound. Some disc manufacturers are putting out crappy sounding discs Most of them are out of business. I try to use high quality manufacturers. Could you set your system to remain untouched is the $1,000,000 question? I'll PM you some info to try.

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Author:	Lonman [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:17 am ]
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ericlater @ Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:35 pm wrote: Okay. Great. My wife and I have been practicing (even having friends over) to determine when and how to adjust to individual variables, as just noted. I think we're learning and getting better all the time. As an aside, I've been following (trying to follow) the information being provided in the EQ thread. Some info I've printed out just in the hope that with time it will become more understandable to me. Now, based upon the responses to my question herein, I can't see how I could leave my settings untouched throughout an entire show. Does this observation have any bearing on the discussion in that other thread where it seems to me that someone has taken the position that you set your equipment once and leave it (forever) there? No it is not possible - despite what 1 (and only 1 believes) - to have 1 eq setting & leaves for every size room or show. Each room is different & there is no getting around that. 50+ years of professional sound engineering & tech articles/advice/etc. is not wrong, 1 persons opinion is. You can actually take one room & it would need to be re-eq'd for different variables. If it was completely empty with absolutley no kind of sound absorsion, you eq it to that. Take that same room, put carpet, curtains & ceiling tiles in, what eq settings you had before, WILL NOT work - despite what you may think should work. Once you get a room set up, you should not have to move the master eq, but adjust each song through the channel strips on the mixer.

Author:	Jian [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:27 am ]
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Bigdog @ 28th December 2006, 4:41 pm wrote: I will field this question. I proposed a theory that it is indeed possible to leave the settings untouched. That said, I am keenly aware of how my equipment sounds and should sound and how I like it to sound. Some disc manufacturers are putting out crappy sounding discs Most of them are out of business. I try to use high quality manufacturers. Could you set your system to remain untouched is the $1,000,000 question? I'll PM you some info to try. Something must be wrong with your hearing Dog. edit: I forgot, that dog can hear sound better above 20kH and go to the doctor (I mean vet.) and have your Ear check

Author:	Guest [ Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:18 pm ]
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Experts use to think that all the planets and the sun revolved around the earth, too. :O

Author:	Jian [ Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:17 pm ]
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True, but the expert did not make the planets, and god is not the one who make those eq box.

Author:	Guest [ Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:26 pm ]
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True, but I can do it once and forget it. :worship:

Author:	timberlea [ Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:57 am ]
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And sound maybe half decent against the crap systems that u say your so-called competition have. Compare it to Lonman's, ours, or anyone else on the board who knows what they are doing, you would sound like crap.

Author:	Guest [ Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:49 pm ]
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I'll blow you out of the water like all the rest. :wave: :O :shock:

Author:	timberlea [ Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:59 pm ]
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When and where. We're easy to find though they do put dogs in quarantine when they come into the country.

Author:	Guest [ Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:56 am ]
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You always have something smart to say.... never intelligent always smart..

Author:	Guest [ Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:04 am ]
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I'll refer you to the info posted by Karyoker about the "power alley" sound theory. About the placement of subs and the reason why. Makes perfect sense to me. More experts are wrong. Hmmmm. That would mean that almost every speaker company and every concert or sound setup has been wrong for the last 50 years. Good thing they haven't discovered any black holes or any other thing else that was disputed 50 years ago. We would still be in the stone age. If we just keep doing everything the same and never realize that there have been many ideas and theorys proven wrong over time. Einstein never had a good idea???? that totally blew every expert out of the water???? And has been proven right many years after his death.... 100 years ago.......The Titanic is unsinkable. Tell all the dead passengers that... So is every boat built after that. Many ships sink every year. Many people drown. Still can't get it right. Pluto isn't a planet. No new stars (suns) are being born. The universe has no new secrets. 15 years ago nobody heard of DNA tests. Polio will never be cured. Smoking is not harmful 50 years ago. Second hand smoke is OK to breath 50 years ago. Asbestos is safe 50 years ago. EQing a system once is not possible. LMAO LMAO Not.... I started a new job last month. Never eqed a thing and every thing sounds perfect .... like always. Never been any expert proven wrong about anything in history. They have never made changes to history books? Haven't discovered any new animal species? Stingrays are safe. There are no such thing as flying saucers or beings from another world. Did you ever see the movie E.T.? Proof positive. LMAO :O Hollywood wouldn't lie to me. Set it and forget it, EQing is possible. I have proven it 100%. 14 years of testing. 3 different systems and many different barroom configurations.

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Author:	Kellyoke [ Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:45 am ]
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Come on folks,...let's all use some common sense. Common sense would dictate that no way could Bigdog be wrong and all the rest of us be right. Right? Do I sound a little sarcastic? GOOD! Kelly

Author:	Lonman [ Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:14 am ]
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I've said it before, over 50 years of PA theory/teachings/tech articles/etc. have been all wrong. All of these pro concert touring systems have been set-up completely wrong. Crossovers? Sub amps? EQ'ing the club/venue/rooms? What idiots!

Author:	Guest [ Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:01 pm ]
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ericlater @ Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:30 pm wrote: HELP... I've noticed that ocassionally a disc or track sounds much better than the average one, which requires no adjustment. Once in a while, however, a recording is so bad that without some tweeking (often of the EQ settings) nothing, not the background or the singer can possible sound good. This is, of course, happens more often when you're using the singer's disk and is, therefore, a complete surprise when it occurs. What do you "call it" when you have to change settings because of a recording? Any suggestions as to how one can determine the required adjustment quickly. Back to the topic.... ....I'm just a dummy, so take this for what it's worth, but when it's from the same cdg player, or hard drive, I find it's mostly a variation in signal strength of the recording, and adjust the gain......most of the time the only frequency problems I encounter with a poor quality dupe, is a too much, or a distorted bass, so I back off the lower bands

Author:	Lonman [ Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:51 am ]
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Bigdog @ Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:04 am wrote: Set it and forget it, EQing is possible. I have proven it 100%. 14 years of testing. 3 different systems and many different barroom configurations. You have proven nothing! I GUARANTEE even the systems listed in the 'sub alley' article are properly amp'd & crossed over. You CAN NOT set an eq once - unless each room you play has the exact same sound characteristics! It's impossible & you have yet to ONCE show anything other than your own word to prove otherwise. And since you won't list your clubs so others may come in & audition, what you say is moot point!

Author:	gahmc [ Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:24 am ]
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I can't for the life of me figure out how it would be possible NOT to change your settings; sure, you can have a base setting that gets you started, but there are always variables that will cause you to have to do some "tweaking", otherwise, there would be times where your sound would be off......