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i have a set of audio choice speakers  - ac12t  and a set of gemini gsm-1250
and there is a big differance in sound.  the audio choice 2ways are too bassy and the gemini speakers sound awsome.

Just think about how good it would sound if you actually went out and invested in some good speakers!!

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Well you have to go with what your ears hear.  I agree that neither are very good quality & you may be better off paying for something that will last.  But use what sounds best to you.
Typically, with 'proper' power & eq'ing behind them, a 2 way speaker is sufficient in most situations, the Gemini you listed aren't technically 3 way, they are 2 way with 3 piezo tweeters wired to give a 'super tweeter' effect.

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An piezo tweeters cost about $1.99 each from any speaker supply shop, so although you are getting that "super tweeter" effect, you could build your own speaker with Gemeni or Audio-Choice-level components for about $25-35 from most any speaker supply shop.

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KJ, FL

I always suggest a 3 way system.

For Karaoke I suggest a Main Speaker consisting of a 12" and a HF Driver. And a Seperate 15" sub for bass.

But the tops are still a 2 way.  He was asking about 2 way or 3 way cabinets.  A sub should be used on any system IMO.

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I would never suggest a 3-way if it's all in one box.   2-3 seperate boxes yes.

What?

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3 speakers in one box.   NO WAY.    If you put it on the floor, you lose the highs.   If you put it in the air, you will lose some lows.   Just not a good idea for public performance.

Horns need to be 5-7 feet off the ground.

I take that back.   Unless the box is seven feet tall, then it would work.  LMAO

A 3 way speaker - Horn, Mid & Woofer is absolutely NO DIFFERENT than a 2 way speaker Horn & Woofer except for the fact that it adds a third midrange speaker so the woofer don't have to produce the low mids & the horn don't have to produce the high mids.

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In two or three boxes yes, never in one.  

Unless the box is seven feet tall to get the horns up where they belong.   The horns are very directional and subject to being blocked by someone's body, if they are too low.

The mid is fairly directional too.  

Bass travels along the floor 360 degrees.  

I would never use a 3-way in one box, unless it was in my livingroom.

You aren't proving your case at all, highs are very directional, mids are less directional, lows are even less directional sub frequencies are nearly non-directional.  If anything, the sound would become more clean since the woofer isn't having to go into higher frequencies & the horn isn't having to go into lower frequencies.  However in most situations, a 2 way - woofer & horn - is all that's needed provided the proper power is pushing them.  AGAIN, there is no difference between a 2 way cabinet & a 3 way cabinet EXCEPT the added midrange driver.  So if you are using a 15" & horn in the 2 way, most 3 ways use that same 15" & horn but will usually add a 6" - 8" driver for the midrange - bigger cabs can use up to 12" for the mid.  The cabs are usually pretty close to the same size as well.  If you are going to stick that 2 way cab in the air, there as absolutely no difference in putting that 3 way cab in the same spot in the air.  If you think you are going to lose bass on the 3 way, you most certainly will lose that same bass on the 2 way!
You would never use a 3 way cab, leave it at that & move on, you aren't proving your point in any manner!

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I used to have a pair of Carvin 1584s.  They are 3-way and weigh 68 lbs each.  They were a little cumbersome to lug around and mount on stands.  I thought that I was a pretty good singer until I started singing with the Yorkville NX55Ps which are only 2 way.  
It turns out that it was the 8-in midrange woofer in the 1584 that was making me sound so good.  :(  I am still tweaking the crossover points on the NX55Ps and the sub, and the EQs to get that sound that was so readily available with the 3-way 1584s.

Okay, what I stated above is really a stretch.  Although 3-way is better for vocals (now I know from personal experience), even a good system can't make you a good singer if you just don't have the talent.  Remember William Hung?

Yeah, well, he HAD a recording contract AND toured AND did commercials!

WHATEVER!!!!!!  :(

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Hey, I almost bought his CD and videos, but my kids stopped me from doing so.
I also heard that he went back to HongKong and made a few movies.
Seriously, Lonnie, I would go back to 3-way if I can find speakers that are not too expensive, not too big, and not too heavy.  I just feel that the mid-range driver is so much better for vocals.

If you can not get the horn to project out above everyones head, (at least 6-7 feet off the floor) what good is it?   The highs will be lost before they get out 3 rows.

Yeah & if the 2 way cab is up in the air & the 3 way cab is up in the air - what is your point?  The horns in both will be up in the air - projecting over peoples heads.  Why do you seem to think that a 3 way cabinet can't be put in the air just like a 2 way - that's ludacris to think.  There is no difference between the 2 cabs EXCEPT a 3 way adds a small mid right under the horn.
Unless you are thinking of dual 15" cabs as a 3 way - they technically aren't 3 way speakers just because they have 3 drivers in them & these cannot be flown very easily.

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To me a 3-way speaker means it has 1-low, 1-mid and 1 high frequency speaker.   3 speakers in one box.    So the box would need to be 7 feet tall to get the horn high above the crowd and the bass on the floor.

And a 2 way is 1 low & 1 high.

3 way cabs are very common, and NO the box don't have to be no ridiculous height of 7 feet that you seem to believe.  Here are a couple of examples for you.  Both of these are a couple inches difference in height over their 2 way counterparts.  Several other companies make very good 3 ways in these standard sized cabinets as well & you know the reason why - the cabinets don't have to be much bigger than their 2 way brothers.  

Are you really trying to say a 2 way cabinet is going to produce more bass in the air - because that is what you are leading us to believe.  Let me try & explain this to you:
You own a set of 2 way speakers with a woofer & a horn, you run the 2 way cab in the air to get the highs over the heads right?  You use a sub on the floor for the sub-bass - CORRECT?  This technically would be classified as a 3 way system - provided it's all CROSSED OVER correctly, otherwise, it's just 3 speakers.  You use a sub on the floor because the 15" in the air don't project that kind of bass.  Properly crossed over the sub on the floor would produce the sub bass, the 15" would act as a low (where the sub cuts off) & low mid driver & the horn would be the high mid - highs.
NOW if you had a 3 way cabinet - a woofer, mid & horn, you still would run that cabinet in the air to get the horns over the head & use a sub for the sub bass.  With the sub, this would technically be classified as a 4 way system - again provided it was properly crossed over.  You use a sub because the 15" in the air don't provide that kind of bass.  Properly crossed over the sub on the floor would produce the sub bass, the 15" would produce the low (where the sub cuts off), the midrange would produce the mids & the horn would produce the highs.

Now try to clarify, why do you seem to believe that a 3 way cabinet would need to be 7 feet tall - I am gathering from your statements that you are basing your claims on the fact that YOUR 3 way system (sort of) with a 2 way cabinet & sub - the sub sits on the floor & your 'mid' & horn are in the air making the total height approx 7 feet?  AGAIN, there is no difference in the way you would use a 3 way cabinet as you would a 2 way cabinet.  You can use them both as standalone units on poles to get them up in the air.  You can use them both with subs to get the deep bass.  You are not making any valid point!

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When you have the sub sitting on the floor, it uses the floor to amplify the bass.   It travels along the floor better.   If a sub is in the air it loses the resonence of the floor.    I just feel that a sub on the floor is the optimum use of the sub.      Horn in the air, sub on the floor.

I just wouldn't do it any other way.