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We are in grave danger from sources that wish to make karaoke, as we know it, extinct in our lifetime.

Please, join the fight to save the world of karaoke.  :handshake:

Every night thousands of non karaoke songs are being played at more and more venues around the world.   This is done under the disguise of "adapting" to the crowd.    This activity is very destructive by nature.

The very existance of karaoke is threatened.

Only with hard work and talent can we hope to save the "Karaoke."    These venues pop up nightly to encroach on the unsuspecting karaoke singers.     It starts innocently enough as a single dance/ filler song, played by someone you thought was your friend.    Gradually the betrayals are increased.    Slowly as to not arouse too much suspicion.    Then when you least expect it, it happens.   You are no longer at karaoke.   You have been duped in to an evil DJ-oke environment.     You will be bombarded with evil and suggestive dance/filler music most of the night.    Lessening your chances of fun from your passion of singing.   This is done by the very people you support week after week.    Let them know their motive is selfish.

Your help is desperately needed to help save the world from the evil DJ-oker and it's horribly cruel wrath of destruction.    No venue is safe unless you have a pure karaokest at the controls.    Make your selection wisely.     Ask for a Karaoke Purest.     Demand it, before it's too late.   Never settle for a DJ-oker.     Stand up and be counted.     Tell the Bar owners you will not be back.   Take back control of your karaoke night.     Let the people that want dance music find their own place to be poisoned.     You have a right to spend your money as you want.    You pick the entertainment you need and want.

Join us now as we try to save the "karaoke" as we have known it, in it's pure form, all these years.   Sign up NOW TO SAVE KARAOKE.

Take the pledge of Karaoke Purity.      For Pure KJs.

"I, Bigdog (Insert Your Name Here) do solomly swear to uphold the high standards of Karaoke.    I will never submit to playing dance/filler music at any venue, for any reason, however small.    I will stand with my fellow Pure KJs and support their Karaoke Pure venues, forsaking all others, that are not.    I will promote "pure" Karaoke at every event and venue, at all costs.    I value and salute and support all Karaoke singers.     I respect their right to attend Pure Karaoke.    I will always deliver Pure Karaoke to my loyal Karaoke singers.


Pledge For Pure Karaoke Singers.

I, Bigdog do swear to sing only at Pure Karaoke venues.   To let the Bar Owners know, that I will take my business to a Pure Karaoke venue.    I will support and promote Pure Karaoke KJs.    I value and respect my Pure KJ and their efforts to bring to me quality karaoke, no matter the cost.

Stand beside us and add you name or company to our list of Pure Karaoke KJs/singers/supporters.    Let the DJ-okers know you do not like and will not support their selfish format.    This is not a joke.   I am serious.    I'm taking a stand to save Karaoke.     Not "adapt" Karaoke.

To whom are you going to go to with thes petitions ? Anyone important or just your computer ? To make a stand & ask for a following you have to let people know whats going on (more info)  

Anyways you sound POd here maybe I shouldnt mess with ya , sorry But just wanted to know specifics. ( im serious too)

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[shadow=black][scroll]You have to respect your audience. Without them, you're essentially standing alone, singing to yourself....KD Lang[/scroll][/shadow]

Refer to the "Taking Requests For Non Karaoke Music"   Thread.     Read every one very carefully.    Read between the lines.    Everyone one is admitting that they have to resort to playing dance/filler music to keep their jobs.     Learn how to KJ.   Learn to keep and entertain everyone in attendance, with karaoke.

People that contuinue to play dance /filler music at advertised Karaoke venues are creating an atmosphere of non karaoke.  They will cause the death of karaoke, as we know it.    They are turning their backs on the reason they got the job and went in to business.    The karaoke singers.   A karaoke night is all about karaoke.   DJ night is about dancing.      Band night is about dancing.     Karaoke night is about singing.     Keep doing it and eventually the bar owner will find out he can get the same results with a real DJ.   You will be out of a job.

Yeah enetertain all in attendance.   But do not do it at the cost of the singers.    They came to sing and spend money at your job.    They come loyally every week.    Dancers can go to other venues to dance.    Singers can not.     An advertised singing night should remain exactly that.     Entertain your crowds with singing, involving karaoke music, with words on the screen.    

Karaoke was and always will be about SINGING, not dancing.

If that doesn't make sense then you will fade away with the rest of the DJ-o-k-e-r-s.



Singers and "Pure" KJs should be sticking together to preserve PURE Karaoke.    In the end it will help to keep you, as a PURE KJ working.   And it will make sure that the dedicated singers still have a place to enjoy their singing passion.   It won't happen at dance night.      It can only happen at KARAOKE.     SINGERS UNITE IN THE FIGHT TO SAVE PURE KARAOKE.      

Still think I sound like a nut case?     You won't when you lose your karaoke night to a DJ.  :shock:  :O   Everyone thinks they can do our job.    Everyone thinks they can DJ too.    You see the wannabes and the hacks falling out daily.   They can not do it.   They don't know how.

WAKE UP PEOPLE.    :asleep:

Nobody that does it, is coming near this thread.    They know I'm right.

It's Not The Size Of A Dog In A Fight,  It's The Size Of The Fight In The Dog. Keep On BARKING BIGDOG ! (Wherever You Are This Week) But Please Stay Out Of China Because Rumour Has It That They Eat Dogs There.  :bouncer:

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Man Must Know His Limitations -Clint Eastwood

Bigdog I am sitting here out at the ranch dealing with the county about moving a new construction over 40 feet instesd of the required 25 feet form the property line. It is a 75,000 barn and they still want to tell us how to build it  They want 8X8's every 8 feet with concrete pads on the bottom...I am currenty selling 3 acres for 125,000 dollars..
I could give a (@$%&#!) less whether you play dj or kj ,...


I think you are a phoney nothing but  a troll As far as I am concerned you are a demented little (@$%&#!) that never makes it out of your room You suffer from delusions of granduer If you have some problems we will help you... Your posts with tunnel vision  and persistence to a radical concept reeks of mental instability however my many years of experience as a vet I will not prejudge..

You still post anonymously and insult the viable members here and I really think that you are a teen that has some critical issues...You are a troll it is obvious you post to generate bias, you dont even believe in what you post you want reaction.. It is obvious that you have an enimic ego and try to find self in fantasy...

Now if you want to match  mental wits or wisdom or logics then let mre know I will eat you for breakfast... Bring o your phoney bullshit most on here now are laughphing at you..

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Dude, come on, I'm sensing some suppressed feelings here. You need to learn and open up and tell us how you really feel.

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I serve no man and am loyal to only one God.

Being critical of a person's success in any respect speaks volumes about the lack of your own.

Love as though you've never been hurt, Dance as though no one's watching, Sing as though God Himself were listening.

I will try to spell this out as simple as I can.

At my karaoke nights 90% of the time, my singers are out numbered by the non singers.    

There are 2-3 or more nons, for every 1 singer.  
If your nights fall in to this catagory, pay attention.

You are playing dance music to keep the nons happy.     You are chasing away the singers.   Little by little.    The nons will increase little by little.   It won't happen over night but it is happeneing, whether you can see it or want to believe it.

Bar Owners are dumber than a box of rocks, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a "Real DJ" could get the same results.     He won't have to pay for a KJ, to play dance music to keep the non singers happy.   Especially when your singers numbers drop to a steady 10 people or less every night.     You're the bar owner, What would you do?   Do you think you are that good?    Do you think you are that valuable to him?    A DJ with four functioning brain cells can communicate with the bar owner on the same level.    

A wet behind the ears teenie bopper with a crappy DJ setup could take your place in a heartbeat.   All he needs is a sub speaker and a top, blasting out the distorted, obnoxiously loud crap hop music.   You're gone.   He could undercut you by $20 and get the job.

If you can not see that by catering to the nonsingers will eventually end your career, then you can not be saved.

This is the main reason I will not put myself in this position.     This is why I will only carry and play karaoke music.

You can still save your job.    Start to slowly work your way back to the karaoke music side a little each night.   Bring back the karaoke singers.   Start mixing in the rock songs you can sing.    Work the nonsingers that way.    Don't say it won't work in "your" country.     Singers are singers everywhere.   Dedicated karaoke singers will always want to sing as much as possible.     I don't care if you're in Cleveland or Cancun.      

I know some of you will still think I'm nuts.   That's OK.     I don't care.   My income is not derived from you.    Examine your gig from the bar owners perspective.   Sooner or later a Real DJ is going to talk to him about his Dance/Karaoke night with little or no singers.

Where will you be, if it makes sense to him??

ONLY YOU CAN SAVE YOUR JOB.     I can't do it for you.     I still have my jobs.

Honestly Bigdog I think you are right I cringe at a call asking for Dj ing b/c I AM a karaoke company first & formost but ya gotta do what ya gotta do sometimes I have just recently bought an extensive dj library from another dj to try to keep up but I really do not like djing tomuch crowd judjing for me. With karaoke the crowd judes themselves & sings what they want to be heard not me. So that makes my job ALOT easier & protects the karaoke side of my business ( the side Ive spent 10 yrs & alot of care building from scratch) too.
I agree with you & think alot of people are just weird if they cant see how much passion is inside of you for your craft which is karaoke first & foremost.  :hi5:

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Kelley
Star Sounds Karaoke & Mobile Recording Studio


[shadow=black][scroll]You have to respect your audience. Without them, you're essentially standing alone, singing to yourself....KD Lang[/scroll][/shadow]

Why am I being attacted by a barn builder, when I could be listening to my teenie bopper, hip hop, cop killin', mother humpin', dance /filler music pumping out of my mother's computer, when I should be in bed sleeping,  :asleep: dreaming about someday being a world famous DJ-o-k-e-r?    I have to be in school Monday bright and early for Tenth grade English class.    LMAO  :O  :whistle:


My posts concerning this subject are not meant to insult anyone.  Unlike yours.   They are to enlighten some that may think they are doing the right thing, when infact they are hurting themselves in the long run.    Only time will tell, who is right and who is wrong.

You will wish it's me, but I really don't think I'm too far off the mark with my maniacal rantings.    I'm staying my course, Captain.     You can be my lookout.  Watchout for the unemployed DJ-o-k-e-r-s that could be laying in our path.  :wave:

I am making perfect sense.     Catering to the nonsingers will eventually kill your karaoke business.    I don't care how you look at it.   You are trying to justify your reason for doing it.     No permanent good will come from it.   It's only temporary.

Don't spend the money you're making on it now, you'll need it very soon.

Talking about dead KJs.   I just heard about one that lasted 4 weeks.  Fell by the wayside.     Also saw a ad for a KJ that is going out of business.   Illegal computer and all.     His ad says "Will Train"    First thing he will need to do is learn how to do it himself.  LMAO

More hacks gone that thought they could compete with the BIGDOG.  :wave:  LMAO

Bigdog... why did you create a whole new thread, rather than continuing your efforts in the previous one? The reason the others haven't said anything is that they're NOT hacks, but that they're tired of you and your constant whining!

 LMAO

   OK

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First of all I feel that this subject is serious enough and has enough merit to have it's own thread.

I have recieved some info via PM that suggests that there our other forms of entertainment that indeed produce more revenue for the bars.   These developed from a karaoke night, turned in to a dance night.   Because the KJ played dance music and it became requested more and more.     Good for the bar.   Bad for the karaoke singers and the KJ, that is slowly becoming a DJ.      If the heavy dance crowd comes in, karaoke is not done period.   They send the karaoke crowd packing down the street.   So it is basically not a karaoke night anymore.    Also you have just slapped the regular karaoke singers, the ones that actually started the night in the first place, right in the mouth.   You have told them thanks for your patronage and see ya later.     Not very good public relations.   Do you want to sacrifice your loyal singers?     I don't.    

I am not suggesting that you quit what you are doing, per say.   However if your bar can not make money on a purely karaoke night, change is required.

That said, if dance music is becoming more and more popular on your karaoke night, something is wrong.    Karaoke night should be karaoke night.    Dance night should be dance night.    Maybe a change of nights is required.   Move the pure karaoke night.    Let the dance night make its money and the karaoke night could be another money making night.

Playing more and more dance music on the karaoke night, is without a doubt going to kill the karaoke crowd.

Only you can decide how you will run your karaoke business.    But your decision to cater to the dance crowd could end your karaoke business.

Your loyal karaoke singers made you what you are today.     Your false sense of loyalty to the dance crowd will determine your karaoke future.

Big Dog, we do exclusive karaoke, however, it is pretty pretencious, of you to dictate to all and sundry what they should or shouldn't be doing.  People will do what works for them and the more power to them.  If you don't or won't adapt when needed you will destroy yourself.  Ask any losing army.

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First thing, I hate the name KJ, I think it's the dumbest name you could give a person who runs a karaoke business. Karaoke Jockey, I mean no wonder folks thing you're a DJ also. I prefer to look upon my self as being a host, so I will now use the name KH instead of KJ.
A DJ is someone that while they play music, has limited interaction with his/her audience. It's all about the music.  
Being a Karaoke Host requires quite a bit more social skills, because of having to interact with the crowd. I'm not knocking DJ's so don't anyone pull the holier than thou routine on me, but Karaoke by design is a much more of a detailed job. So why would anyone want to lump themselves into a 'jockey' classification. What did someone run out of ideas when it came to names for Karaoke host, or did they not want to put any thought into it at all, and just simply...'well because they deal with music too, we'll just call them Karaoke Jockeys'.
That's about as generic as all the rappers that once called themselves 'MC'. Even those guys realized just how limiting and outdated the title was.
So if you really want to save your career as a Karaoke person, get with the program and stop using stereotypical phrases that profile anyone associated with Karaoke as being just a 'jock'.
Long live the Karaoke Host, Death to the KJ.

James
Maninblack

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I serve no man and am loyal to only one God.

Being critical of a person's success in any respect speaks volumes about the lack of your own.

Love as though you've never been hurt, Dance as though no one's watching, Sing as though God Himself were listening.

Hey I was a jock in high school, many, many, many moons ago.  And yes we are hosts and refer to ourselves as such.

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Sweet, I hate the KJ tag too. Also, if people are in a joint to listen to music, whether they sing or not, if they are spending money, they should be catered to. The people buying the drinks are paying YOU! If no one wants to sing, you sitting up there doing your Weird Al imitation might not amuse them. Do what you have to, to keep the WHOLE crowd happy. It's not much harder to pop in a regular CD than a CD-G. (WINK!)

You say Kj around here and nobody knows what you are talking about..

But when I am working Im a KJ, DJ, sound guy, MC, anouncer, promoter, pr expert, crowd stimulator, entertainer, singer , comedian, referee, flirt, sometimes a dummy, salesman, business man, computer operator, lighting operator and others...

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Do crowd stimulator, entertainer, and flirt use the same equipment?