Now I have to get back just enough confidence to get a day job or a job of any sort.
TMI? Yeah, might be.
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| Author: | Chuck2 [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
Here is an excerpt from an article written by Erica Goode of the New York Times. The article is titled Why the ignorant are blissful. Quote: On the contrary. People who do things badly, Dunning has found in studies conducted with a graduate student, Justin Kruger, are usually supremely confident of their abilities -- more confident, in fact, than people who do things well.
To read the whole article click here http://www.zenspider.com/RWD/Thoughts/Inept.html |
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| Author: | Chuck2 [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
...add to the above quote. Quote: "Incompetent individuals were less able to recognize competence in others," the researchers concluded.
Maybe I'm a little more competent than I had estimated. This topic was posted as a response to a friend of all of us who was very insecure about his own abilities to perform. This person does not come around here much any more. It was not posted as a slam to anyone so please don't take it as such. |
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| Author: | Tom Eaton [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
Boy, does that study ever confirm my everyday experience. Reminds me of those poor fools on AI who suck but think they're wonderful. Makes me wonder about my evaluations of my karaoke performances, too. Sometimes I think I did great, other times I think I sucked. Maybe it's the other way around. It says in the article that Justin Kruger, the grad student who helped with the study, is now a professor at the University of Illinois, right here in my town. Maybe I should look him up for more information on this competence business. |
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| Author: | Chuck2 [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
Now I have to get back just enough confidence to get a day job or a job of any sort. TMI? Yeah, might be.
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| Author: | Babs [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
This was really interesting - thanks for sharing it Chuck. It reminds me of the menatally retarded - sometimes I think it would be bliss to be as happilly unintellegent as them. :hug: |
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| Author: | Chuck2 [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
I don't expect this thread to last much longer since it has a link in it. I hope it goes for a few more hours though. |
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| Author: | Charmin_Gibson [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
Tom Eaton @ Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:57 am wrote: Boy, does that study ever confirm my everyday experience. Reminds me of those poor fools on AI who suck but think they're wonderful. Yeah, this applies to karaoke (singing, in general) IMO. It seems the ones who get up there and flaunt.... are NOT the best singers. The ones who get up more modestly, and are truly a bit nervous about their performance... have the least to worry about. From people I'M used to watching sing anyhow. Quote: Makes me wonder about my evaluations of my karaoke performances, too. Sometimes I think I did great, other times I think I sucked. Maybe it's the other way around.
Yeah, that could almost freak you out. Maybe I should sing only the songs I think I truly suck at the worst? :no: .... I've worried myself into stage fright too many times over just this kinda thing. (do I only THINK I do this one okay??.... am i over/underestimating this song??.... should I do a different one??) I finally had to take on the "it isn't gonna kill me, one way or the other" attitude, and just sing them. Studies like this one though can freak your mind a bit. But, never once have I gotten up to sing THINKING that highly of myself anyhow, so maybe I'm freaking out now for no reason? Gee, thanks Chuck. :D :shock: . |
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| Author: | Chuck2 [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:12 am ] |
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BlueStainedShoes @ Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:08 pm wrote: Gee, thanks Chuck. :D :shock:
. You're welcome. This study means to me that being concerned about something means that I will make sure I am doing my best at it. Is my best good enough? The only way I can be sure is to get feedback. |
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| Author: | Charmin_Gibson [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
Chuck2 @ Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:12 am wrote: The only way I can be sure is to get feedback.
Sometimes, I'm too paranoid to even want the feedback. I sit down with the "shut up, I don't even wanna know how I did on that one" attitude. LMAO (sad, but true...) To me, karaoke is all about fun anyhow. I had to adapt that frame of mind, or make myself go through sheer panic sometimes. Now, singing with a band, to me is a different story. They pulled a couple new ones out of the hat for me last week, and said "Hey, let's try this one". It was fun, and just a regular jam night at the bar.... but still.... it got my nerves to acting up. I take that a bit more seriously than I do karaoke. But I got my feedback, Odie was there. LOL . |
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| Author: | Babs [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
I have sang for years like most of you. I still get embarrassed by applause. I'd rather people acted like nothing happened. Is that wierd or what? Charmin - how is the band thing going? |
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| Author: | Charmin_Gibson [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
Babs @ Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:32 am wrote: I have sang for years like most of you. I still get embarrassed by applause. I'd rather people acted like nothing happened. Is that wierd or what? I'm the same way Babs, I'd rather slink away quietly back to my seat. When people stop you to compliment or something.... I shy away. But, I'm that way in other areas too. I've never been a person to take any kind of compliment well, I usually come back with some dumb, sassy remark.... or turn red with a mumbled "thanks".... which is stupid, cause I don't know how other people take that. In high school, alot of people thought I was stuck up, and in truth, I was just terribly shy. (yes... me.... shy) :D Quote: Charmin - how is the band thing going?
It's going great. Having alot of fun. The one gig turned into an "every monday" thing, and I usually try to go to that one atleast. I'm just still singing with this band I got hooked up with, as kinda their "country singer". I'm gonna hang with them for a bit, cause we have some big gigs coming up that I promised to do with them. Then, after the first of the year, I may decide to get busy doing my own thing. Not sure yet, but I'm meeting alot of great musicians in the process, and that's a good thing. And this band... really welcomes me with open arms, so for the time being... this is what I'm gonna do. Last monday, I did 8 songs.... that's enough for me for now, until I get brave enough to try starting a whole new band. TY for asking. . |
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| Author: | Babs [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
 It is an exciting time for you now - enjoy
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| Author: | twansenne [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
http://www.zenspider.com/RWD/Thoughts/Inept.html wrote: In a series of studies, Kruger and Dunning tested their theory of incompetence. They found that subjects who scored in the lowest quartile on tests of logic, English grammar and humor were also the most likely to "grossly overestimate" how well they had performed. Bigdog wrote: I have always attracted a more serious and more talented karaoke crowd. Because I want to. I have prefected my craft. It shows. It shows with the money I have made and continue to make. It shows with the quality of my show and the sound system. It shows with the steady work for 14 years. Bigdog wrote: I use $600 mikes. I'm not affraid or intimidated with any system in a 500 mile area. If all you got out of that was Bill Gates..... I know where you stand in this mess.
Couldn't resist BigDog 
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| Author: | Guest [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
Proves my point about dance music killing your karaoke crowd. 
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| Author: | Guest [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:53 pm ] |
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I havent not taked that ther test yet.
But eye no eye wood pass it with flying colors. 
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| Author: | Guest [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
Chuck2 @ Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:12 am wrote: The only way I can be sure is to get feedback.
Dang Chuck and here I thought I just needed to get opinions from listeners. Do I need to leave my mic laying on the monitor too?
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| Author: | Chuck2 [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
dsharrow @ Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:13 pm wrote: Chuck2 @ Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:12 am wrote: The only way I can be sure is to get feedback. Dang Chuck and here I thought I just needed to get opinions from listeners. Do I need to leave my mic laying on the monitor too? I prefer a kinder, gentler feedback. |
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| Author: | Guest [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
I might be wrong but I'm never in doubt! |
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| Author: | Chuck2 [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
michaeljayklein @ Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:23 pm wrote: I might be wrong but I'm never in doubt!
That's the way I try to see it myself.
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| Author: | TTowntenor [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Inept individuals ooze confidence, study finds |
twansenne @ Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:32 pm wrote: Couldn't resist BigDog I don't think it was the quotes you used, it's more like these that were already posted. Quote: On the contrary. People who do things badly, Dunning has found in studies conducted with a graduate student, Justin Kruger, are usually supremely confident of their abilities -- more confident, in fact, than people who do things well. Claiming he's better at running karaoke than everyone else. and Quote: "Incompetent individuals were less able to recognize competence in others," the researchers concluded.
Being able to run karaoke with a little dance music & make it work. Chuck had ulterior motives when posting this i'm thinking.  LMAO :whistle: :wave: :dancin:
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