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Author:  jamkaraoke [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
For some reason this Saturday I had an unusual amount of people coming up requesting songs to be played inbetween the singers.  Rock, Country, Oldies you name it people were requesting.  Since the Karaoke rotation was on the small side (only about 6 or 7 people) all night I started to think........ :thinkin:  :thinkin:  :thinkin:

It was okay to play "REQUESTED" songs as these people ARE customers also ......
I felt it was okay to have the singer wait the additional  3 minutes as they would have to do anyway if the same person was SINGING there requested song........ Again these weren't "filler" songs but actual requests from paying customers.

Since it was  a slower night it didn't seem to bother the singers since the rotation was small but it made me think it was OK ...What'dya think ?
Author:  Babs [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
This is a tricky question:

I personally think you should give the customers what they want.
I also think you should be very careful what kind of crowd you create.
Do you want to be a KJ or a DJ/KJ?


If I was balancing this dilema this is what I would do. If the singers truely don't
mind non karaoke music being played and there are no singers who want to sing the requested songs I don't think it is a problem.

Assuming this is a small venue,
I would be careful to explain I was only taking requests for nonkaraoke music
because it is a slower night for singers. I would add - and your first priority is to the singers.
You do not want to step on karaoke singers toes or you will loose the small amount you have. I am assuming you want mainly a karaoke crowd and you are at the start of building a crowd.
Author:  twansenne [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:06 pm ]
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If you are promoting KARAOKE, then karaoke must come first, and if there are singers waiting to sing, then they must sing.  Even if it is only 2 people, and they put in 20 songs.

But, and easy way around it is to promote a Karaoke and DJ, but I would still keep the DJing to a minium, and don't piss off the singers.

One of my gigs is starting to turn more into a DJ nite than karaoke.  Right now it is about 50:50 karaoke to DJ.  I give them what they want, it is a lot easier to que up 5 DJ songs an let them play than 5 katraoke singers.

But just be very very careful, you don't want to piss off too many people.

An After though::::
Someone request to hear a DJ song, tell them that you will try to fit it in when appropriate, but that karake comes first.  Most people are understanding, at least they are in my situation.
Author:  Babs [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
Nothing worse than a lot of tinkle.  LMAO
Author:  karyoker [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
Most Kj's I know are converting to a kj/dj format...Twan's got it right it depends on the crowd Sat night we went over to Loveland and I expected too see an old kj ive known for 10-15 yrs There was somebody new there just starting There was never over 15 singers and it was about half DJ Some gals I hadnt seen for 2 or 3 years were there (old karaoke nuts) and we were having a ball dancing to the new music.. In fact one that played I turned around and sang it.. and we all danced again LOL Nasty Girl by Vanity 6.....
Let me throw another factor in,...

This site takes forever to boot up but it gives me some ideas.... If I was a youngster agin I would be thinking about this..Check out the lighted dance floor you can rent too

 VJ Entertainment :)
Author:  Chuck2 [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:30 pm ]
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Thanks guys, I'm soakin' this up.
Author:  twansenne [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
karyoker @ Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:18 pm wrote:
This site takes forever to boot up but it gives me some ideas.... If I was a youngster agin I would be thinking about this..Check out the lighted dance floor you can rent too

 VJ Entertainment :)

IMHO...Lottsa CHEESE, but if the CHEESE works, then give em CHEESE

But anyway...back to the original post....

I do have to add in that my gig that is turning into more DJ than KJ is probably the crowd is changing now that college is back.

Read the crowd, and give em what they want.

If you piss of 2 karaoke singers, but gain 10 others that want DJ, then you are ahead of the game.

Or possibly you could split up the show, first 1/2 Karaoke, and 2nd 1/2 DJ or what ever works for you.

Did a private gig where they wanted both DJ and KJ.  It was a P I S S E R trying to get a good balance.  Finaly ended up fdoung 30 mins karaoke, then 30 mins dj, then back to 30 mins karaoke, and so on.  It worked out well, once everyone fingered it out.
Author:  Chuck2 [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
I knew of a club once that would play a whole set of karaoke then 2 or 3 dance songs at the end of the set. The KJ also owned the bar. He asked customers what they wanted and this was what worked there at that time.
Author:  karyoker [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
Would add one of the secrets too is play upbeat high energy music... No silence and to be honest when it is kicking nobody there cares if a karaoke singer is singing or not even the singers.  Oh you still have a few of the hard core Oh Im gonna go I came here to sing.....Ok go down to on of those dead places you can sing prob 4 or 5 times an hour cya... LOL
Author:  karyoker [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:44 pm ]
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Quote:
IMHO...Lottsa CHEESE, but if the CHEESE works, then give em CHEESE



LMAO  LMAO  Too elabrate for me too but it gives ideas.... I still want the dance floor... LMAO
Author:  Babs [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
I love that we can discuss this and nobody is arguing about what is
right or wrong to do at a show. We are just talking about what works for us
and how it may compare.

:hug:
Author:  Guest [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
I like the idea of 2-3 tunes tagged onto the end of a rotation ... as long as the crowd agrees.  Other idea is ... a request for a DJ tune is a place in the rotation.  That way each person in the club has the same chance at a spot in the rotation without having to sing.  Example... my wife loves for me to sing 'our song' but occasionally would prefer it if it could just be played for us to dance to (before you say anything, yes, I have danced AND sang the song simultaneously).
Author:  jamkaraoke [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
The bar doesn't "promote" karaoke per se - They have DJ's Wed-Sun
Everyone just knows that I prefer to do KARAOKE and therefore - the crowd understands that KARAOKE comes 1st. - The requests always comes with " When you can fit it in" so the crowd understands ---- With a small rotation on some nights ---even though its Karaoke Night --- I can't have 3 singers sing back to back all night long ---The rest of the bar would leave...specially if it was ballad HELL lol.
Author:  Guest [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
You will begin to suffer a slow agonizing death.    What kind of a night do you thing the singers wait for?   A night when they get to sing more, because the rotation is low.   Death will not be painless.   First, the regular singers will slowly start to disappear, going to other karaokes.   Then the nonsingers will want more dance music.     Then you won't have a karaoke night.   It will be a DJ night. :shock:  :O  :no:  :yes:  :wave:  :whistle:


Don't start thinking. :no:
Author:  atxklown [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
A KJ can DJ, but a DJ can't KJ
Author:  Lonman [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
atxklown @ Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:03 pm wrote:
A KJ can DJ, but a DJ can't KJ


True to a point.  A good DJ knows how to read the crowd & will fade songs that don't get response.  Many kj's i've seen that tried to dj would just let a song play good response or not.  I've done dj work in the past & it's already set up & ready to go if it ever came down to that.  I prefer karaoke over dj'ing but enjoy doing both.
Author:  jamkaraoke [ Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
Bigdog - I guess it's my turn to disagree with you .
History will show that it is those that do not change and adapt will suffer death.
Sure you can have a 100% karaoke night and ignore all other paying customers in the place. I'm sure the singers would love to be able to sing 7 songs a night .
If a KJ has that type of venue in were everyone is there for Karaoke you can be successful.  But in actually reading what many KJ's are saying is that the "industry" is changing.  More and more KJ's are reporting a little more variety in their shows - little dance music, little filler music all in attempt to entertain all customers who are there.  Sure singers want a night where they can sing MORE  and on slower nights they get that chance. A good KJ will learn how to read the ENTIRE crowd each night and adapt and alter the shows format to combat the enemy ...Enemy being boredom for the masses. If you have 30 people out of 50 waiting to sing obviously the masses want Karaoke ..But if on a night I have 3 people out of 50  waiting to sing ..I change the show's format to meet the demands of that night.
It is those show's that do not change that will suffer.
Author:  Big Mike [ Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
So let me get this straight bigdog.  On another topic you said:

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if the rotation is boring the nonsingers to the point of leaving, you better try something to keep them.

AND
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our reason for being there is to "entertain" the entire crowd.   To keep them there as long as possible.   This means the MAJORITY of the crowd.     Non singers spend more money, because they out number the singers.   IF YOU were the bar owner who would want me to you try to keep 20 singers or 75 non singers.    The singers are keeping themselves entertained by singing the songs THEY want to sing.   Not all of the nonsingers want to hear every song the singers sing.   Especially if they aren't that good.    My job is to keep EVERY PAYING CUSTOMER happy.    Why is that so hard to understand?   The bar needs to make money.    

AND
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If you get right down to it, the bar could care less about what the entertainment is.   They are doing it to make money.  Not to keep karaoke singers happy.

AND
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Quick, get the bouncer, a nonsinger is trying to get in to spend some money.   We can't have that.    Who does he think he is?    WE have singers tonight.    Didn't he see the sign.   NO NON SINGER MONEY ON KARAOKE NIGHT.


Anyway, that being said, I do agree with you HERE.  My show is a karaoke show, not a DJ show.  When I get song requests, I explain to them that I can play the song but there won't be any words unless they sing them.  If a venue wants me to do both, they can pay extra for the DJ show.

However, I think I've cracked the mystery of who the big dog is and why he's got so much time to be here posting!  
Author:  knightshow [ Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:21 am ]
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LFMAO!!!!
Author:  TopherM [ Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Taking Requests for Non Karaoke Music
LOL, Big Mike, I tried to visit your home page from work and received the following message:

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