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Just browsing through post and was reading the HOW HARD IS IT  Post,

Guess it wasn't the post I though it was, but after reading, I started think about my shows.

Right now I have about 6,000 KJ songs, and subscribe to a couple monthly CDGs, and will try to get songs that are requested by regulars, usualy about 1 custom CD ever 2-3 months, if they are a song that possible could be sung by more than that one person requesting it.

SO I checked on my gig computer, which tracks what songs are played and how many times that are played.  In the last 3 month, about 500 different songs were played for karaoke.  Of thoes 500, about 80 of them were only played once, and there were a lot of songs that were only played 2-3 times.

Now browsing other KJ websites, I see some people saying thay have from 10,000 to 60,000 KJ songs.  GEEZ...GET REAL.  What is the big deal about how many songs you have, as long as yuou have a decent collection of the "classics" and keep upt to date on currenbt songs.  Like I said for the last 3 months I have only played 500 different karaoke songs.  I can see having 10K to 20K songs, but above that has to be OVERKILL.

Was at one of my competiors site, and notice he had upwards of 50k songs, and has 5 systems.  I downloaded his song list, and did a quick sort by songs title. Guess what???  At least 80% fo the songs had 5 or more dupes.  Not only that, but danm that is a lot of money in discs,  and considering he has 5 systems, I highly doubt that he has 5 CDGs to match all of his songs to each of his 5 systems.  I am assuming copied/pirated, but I could be wrong.

IU dunno, who much is TOO much?????

Comments? Sugestions?  Rude remarks?  

I think sound Choice or one of the top makers of CDGs would be smart to
compile a collection of most sung songs. I know they make money off of us
for buying all these duplicates, but I would pay more money for a big collection
of the songs that are mostly sung. If they did the research they would know what
we were asking for. Right now if you are just starting it can be confusing what to buy.
If I was just starting I would be looking for high quality CDGs - a package of 4-5,000
songs(no duplicates !) of only the top sung songs. You can't find this anywhere. Instead we have to piece together collections. If someone started a company like this I think they would blow Sound Choice off the charts.

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Just curious but what software did you use to compile the info on the 500 songs?

I would like to track this as well just to see what is getting played. My hosting software has a history log but will not easily compile it into statistics for me.

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It kind of has a ring to it. I'd buy them.

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This is one of my biggest gripes on others songbooks - COUNTING the duplicates as individual songs.  I too have a competitor that advertises over 20K songs, but almost every song is duplicated AT LEAST 1 time with many doubling, tripling or more - he has 10 versions of Friends In Low Places listed - yet those 10 listings are included in his "final" tally.  I am willing to bet he has maybe 6-7K individual song titles - runs CAVS as well & when he switched to the CAVS juke, he went from 4,000 advertised to 20K+ over night.

If you want to list all songs, that's fine, I understand why, but COUNTING them all is misleading & false advertising.

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I don't understand why they list all their duplicates. It would be a bother to
me to have people constantly asking which version was better.
As far as advertising - I have a lot of songs, but never thought to use it as a selling tool. I guess that makes sense though. My business runs more word of mouth than anything, so I'm no expert.

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Which is why many pull the dupes & leave the best version (what they feel) in the book.  It cuts down on the "which is the best" question PLUS it thins out your songbook & overall printing costs to get them redone.
Although some do like to leave them in because more & more customers are getting karaoke educated as far as manufacturers & if listed with some kind of manufacturer code, they can tell by the number which is the version they prefer.  However if a company is using custom codes without any kind of indication which manufacturer it is, then listing the dupes is rather pointless!

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if you have 6,000 songs and only played 500 in 1 month...why soooo many songs? r there alotta songs that never get played at all? i would think so....and if so why soooo many songs? and compared to some 6,000 isn't much at all from what i hear....is there a way to figure out what songs u play in 6 mo.r a years time and see how many songs r just there sitting never to get played?  i can see buying the latest cdg's to keep up, but lordy 6 to 10,000 just seems like a alot to me...
i can see it having already made ur books up for keeping the songs there, how often do u people redo ur books  r do u just add to them? i can see the numbers growing higher that way....omg  i sound like steven, somebody shoot me....i was just wondering is all...

whats that club that USE to be in new orleans that only had like 75 songs and stayed packed and no one complained about there song list?  may have been more songs i'm not sure but it wasn't very many compared....

if i didn't play the song...tear in my beer for 1 year that sucker would be gone...JMO

1 more thing....couldn't all you K J'S even on here get together compare song lists and songs played over a period of time and get some idea of what songs u might and might not need?  i'm sure country locations demand different songs but do they vary that much from 1 place to another? justa thought...i'm sure i want have another for about 2 wks...Billy

I completely reprint my books at least once a year, otherwise throughout the year it just gets a new section in the front that I will reprint everytime I get a new disc - not just another page in front of all the other new pages, I will completely incorporate the new page & repring the new section.  I'm actually past due for my full reprint this year.
As for that many songs, like stated I just hit 10K non-dup'd songs this year.  I don't buy to have the most - don't want it.  This is an accumulation of over 14 years of purchases.  I don't get all the new discs, just songs I get requests for anymore.  I'm sure there are songs in my book that have never been sung one time, however I doubt I would ever pull them just for the fact that I have gained new customers because I have had some obscure song that no one else has.  So why not list everything.

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There have been several threads eluding to this very thing.  While certian songs are played out in many places, there are some songs people have listed as "overplayed" that has never (or rarely) sung in my club.  I tried starting a thread on "songs that you heard last night that you've never heard done before in karaoke", but it didn't take off, although some of the songs I listed, other people had heard fairly regularly.  So again, I would continue to list all I had simply because someone might become a new regular because of 1 song - it's happened often before.

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ty lonman, yea i can see it over a period of that many yrs...but i was thinking u needed 4 r 5,000 to start off...thats alot...i know the place i go to, everytime i go in i'm always hearing the same songs from the same people, but like u said theres always that 1 person walking in...makes sense...

I believe it's all a customer perception anymore.  Many singers may looks at a small book as a bad show.  Most shows would be able to suffice & keep a crowd on 1,000 songs in reality but most singers look at the size of the book - & to many size DOES matter  :shock:

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Yes but music changes and the longer you're in business it's only natural for it to grow.  Now when we advertise we say we have 22,000 selections with say 16,000 non-repeats or whatever the number is.  This an accumulation of 15 years of being in business.  It's also nice to have singers come in and say no one else has this song or that song.  Remember you're carrying a library and we all knowthat in public libraries that some books get read more than others and some not at all, but they're there if someone wants it.  That doesn't mean you go in hawk trying to get everything right away.

That being said a good sound system with someone who knows what they are doing is more important than a large selection but if all things are equal the larger library can be an advantage.

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Ive accumulated about 5500-6000 with no dupes. Im exactly with  Lon on this---60000?? I dotn think that many were even ever published!! And really who needs 9 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF HAPPY BIERTHDAY. Ive always tried for a mix of the over-popular songs but with a lot of HARD-TO-FIND unique stuff and stuff that gets asked for but few others have. Trying to create a unique and custom assortment. Alot of different flavors. Not just the  SD Foundations OR BRICKS. Sound Choice is of the highest quality but there's a whole lot out more than just sound choice to karaoke life!

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Ever bought a CDG just for one song - yes

Was I stuck with the other songs no one sings - yes

Do I put them in my books - yes (like Lon says you never know)

Do I have dupes - no (mybooks are big enough)

I took many hours to make sure I have no dupes. I try to pick the
best quality CDG to keep. I never had someone not sing a song because
I didn't have 4 different makers of the same song.

Now I did keep the same song sung in the style of different artist.

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KJ Pro songbook program has about 270,000 song titles , and constantly growing.     Many are dupes but that includes many, many different companies.

I've always said that I could pull 200 tracks and play most shows with little difficulty.  Someday I may actually get off my @ss and do it!

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I use Sax & Dottys show Presenter, which is a front end for Winamp.  Winamp can keep track of most recently played songs (in the library options?), and you can set how long it keeps track.  THat is what I used

9,000 unduplicated songs in the book.    One version of each, the closest to what you heard on the radio.     That's the one you will be thinking of when you start to sing it.     Besides half of the dupes don't even come close to the original song.   If the title wasn't on it you wouldn't be able to "name that tune" after all of the notes were played.