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| Author: | str1der [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Add more echo? |
I have a Behringer UB1204FX-Pro mixer hooked to my PC for karaoke. I'm not real familiar with all the workings but I'm using effects mode 53. Are the adjustments I can make to ad a little more echo to the vocals? Thanks. |
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| Author: | lyquiddye [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
Increase the level on the individual channel. Increase the level on the effect return. |
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| Author: | gator [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
lyquiddye @ Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:20 pm wrote: Increase the level on the individual channel. Increase the level on the effect return. What does the echo effect do for a singers voice?
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| Author: | Lonman [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
gator @ Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:47 pm wrote: What does the echo effect do for a singers voice?
Echo is a form of reverb(eration). Every sound you hear has natural reverb/echo, when you sing straight into a mic, it only amplifies the straight signal - which is considered a "dry" signal. Echo/reverb helps to add some sound that helps to round out & blend some of the harshness out. Any & every song you hear on the radio has SOME form & degree of reverb & echo on the vocals. |
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| Author: | Jian [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
Fx mode 53 is chorus+rev. I personaly use mode 61 which is delay&rev,and sometime change to 03 for plate or 01 cathedral. You dont have to confine yourself to just one efx. I sometime change efx during the singing using 53 for the chorus and 61 for normal verse. Make sure the fx knobes are set to to around 12 oclock or so. |
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| Author: | gator [ Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
Lonman @ Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:22 pm wrote: gator @ Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:47 pm wrote: What does the echo effect do for a singers voice? Echo is a form of reverb(eration). Every sound you hear has natural reverb/echo, when you sing straight into a mic, it only amplifies the straight signal - which is considered a "dry" signal. Echo/reverb helps to add some sound that helps to round out & blend some of the harshness out. Any & every song you hear on the radio has SOME form & degree of reverb & echo on the vocals. |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
gator @ Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:23 am wrote: I have a Peavey XR 600G and I usually have my rfx set on vocal enhancement or small room reverb and the sends set at about haly way.
Remember you do not want too much. This may sound stupid, but you don't want to be able to "hear" the effect, but you would be able to tell if it wasn't there! When you start to hear the effect outright over the vocals, you have too much. |
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| Author: | Jian [ Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
Lonman @ Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:02 am wrote: gator @ Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:23 am wrote: I have a Peavey XR 600G and I usually have my rfx set on vocal enhancement or small room reverb and the sends set at about haly way. Remember you do not want too much. This may sound stupid, but you don't want to be able to "hear" the effect, but you would be able to tell if it wasn't there! When you start to hear the effect outright over the vocals, you have too much. Which remind me of a place where I sang when I was outstation. The echo was set way up that I can't recognized my voice. At the end of the song when I said 'thank you', the u u u u u u u u last until the next day |
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| Author: | gator [ Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
Badsinger @ Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:26 pm wrote: Lonman @ Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:02 am wrote: gator @ Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:23 am wrote: I have a Peavey XR 600G and I usually have my rfx set on vocal enhancement or small room reverb and the sends set at about haly way. Remember you do not want too much. This may sound stupid, but you don't want to be able to "hear" the effect, but you would be able to tell if it wasn't there! When you start to hear the effect outright over the vocals, you have too much. Which remind me of a place where I sang when I was outstation. The echo was set way up that I can't recognized my voice. At the end of the song when I said 'thank you', the u u u u u u u u last until the next day |
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| Author: | str1der [ Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
Thanks for all the suggestions. I just found the manual for the mixer to be a little lacking. I guess I also need to find me a good mixer primer. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
str1der @ Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:43 am wrote: I have a Behringer UB1204FX-Pro mixer hooked to my PC for karaoke. I'm not real familiar with all the workings but I'm using effects mode 53. Are the adjustments I can make to ad a little more echo to the vocals? Thanks. str1der @ Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:10 am wrote: Thanks for all the suggestions. I just found the manual for the mixer to be a little lacking. I guess I also need to find me a good mixer primer.
I don't think the problem lies with the manual. The types of questions you are asking (valid though) prove to me that you don't have a very good knowledge of live music and/or the concept of mixing and effects. Please don't blame the manual for your incompetence. Feel free to ask any questions, and people on the board will most certainly try to help you. |
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| Author: | knightshow [ Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
wow... THAT could have been said a bit better. I understand what you were TRYING to say Tony, but holy hanna!  !
"Incompetence", no matter how well worded, always comes out as a slap. "Lack of knowledge in this area" is a bit softer, don'tcha think? Not near as brutal soundin'! |
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| Author: | str1der [ Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
Yes a bit rough but I know what he was trying to say. I've been on the net long enough to not take anything to personal. The comment I made about the manual is above and beyond the question I was asking. I didn't expect the manual to be a primer on how to use a mixer. I still think the manual is lacking. It reads more like a feature list than a real manual. Does anyone know where I could find a basic tutorial on using a mixer? |
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| Author: | jamkaraoke [ Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
What information are you looking for? The Behringer UB1204FX is a pretty basic mixer meaning you have your inputs, outputs and basic channel EQ ( high mid lows) and of course the on board effects. The manual should give you the information you need . As far as HOW much effects , or the settings on the HIGH MIDS LOWS etc. There are some basic theories on how they should be set up but it all comes down to a personal taste issue as far as sound goes. If your recording using your pc and your mixer I unfortunately can not offer any advice ( not too familiar with this) But if your using in a live atmosphere ask away and I'm sure many here will help you..withhout any sarcasm or rudeness :) |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
JAMKARAOKE @ Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:23 pm wrote: withhout any sarcasm or rudeness :)
Oops sorry, that was not the intention guys.  I guess I'm just not very good with words. Matt, thanks buddy 
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| Author: | Jian [ Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
There is enough reading here http://www.colomar.com/Shavano/pa_page.html to keep you in the right track. And this http://members.cox.net/pasystem1/ may also be usefull . |
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| Author: | lyquiddye [ Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
Behringer does not write the best manuals. Judicious application of reverb and/or delay via the mixer’s AUX busses can really polish a mix, but too much can “wash out” the mix and reduce overall clarity. The way you set up your reverb sound can make a huge difference in the way it meshes with the mix. Reverb/Delay Time Different reverb/delay units offer different capabilities, but most offer some means of adjusting the reverb time. A little extra time spent matching the reverb time to the music being mixed can mean the difference between great and merely average sound. The reverb time you choose will depend to a great degree on the tempo and “density” of the mix at hand. Slower tempos and lower densities (i.e. sparser mixes with less sonic activity) can sound good with relatively long reverb times. But long reverb times can completely wash out a faster more active piece of music. Similar principles applies to delay. Reverb Tone How “bright” or “bassy” a reverb sound is also has a huge impact on the sound of your mix. Different reverb units offer different means of controlling this—balance between the high- and lowfrequency reverb times, simple EQ, and others. A reverb that is too bright will not only sound unnatural, but it will probably get in the way of delicate highs you want to come through in your mix. If you find yourself hearing more high-end reverb than mix detail, try reducing the brightness of the reverb sound. This will allow you to get full-bodied ambience without compromising clarity. Reverb Level It’s amazing how quickly your ears can lose perspective and fool you into believing that a totally washed-out mix sounds perfectly fine. To avoid falling into this trap start with reverb level all the way down, then gradually bring the reverb into the mix until you can just hear the difference. Any more than this normally becomes a “special effect.” You don’t want reverb to dominate the mix unless you are trying to create the effect of a band in a cave—which is a perfectly legitimate creative goal if that’s the sort of thing you’re aiming for. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
... and that comes straight with the compliments of the YAMAHA MG8/2FX mixing console manual. 
As someone once said Quote: If your going to copy something, you should at least put the link to where you got the info from.
http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/pa/ ... 8_2fxe.pdf |
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| Author: | karyoker [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
It aint easy to apply efx to different singers voicesand at different venues... However this is the best way to learn.. Record with full efx with different settings and playback with no efx listening on headphones...(Sounds a whole lot different really what you have done to it) The absolute best wayto learn is to use something like Sonar3 or Homestudio with the capabilities to record the vocals and music seperate.. Then you can drop the vocal into another track for stereo and spend hours playing with all the plugins form parametric eq to flange, chorus and many others. Then you can playback if it isnt right then you can undo and go again.. After a few sessions with a singer you know how to tailor their vocal to a tee... And then you have a good sense for applying efx during a live show...That is the main reason we run FOH with a snake and setup the mixer in the back so one can hear whats goin on.... If a singer is good and dont need it I'll turn he efx send down on the mic channel or visa versa..... |
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| Author: | Jian [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Add more echo? |
AllStar @ Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:23 am wrote: ... and that comes straight with the compliments of the YAMAHA MG8/2FX mixing console manual.
As someone once said Quote: If your going to copy something, you should at least put the link to where you got the info from. http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/pa/ ... 8_2fxe.pdf Matt, said that in one of your post 
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