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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:04 pm 
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Do you go up to 120db?

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Mine goes to 11!

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I set it loud enough to get over crowd noise & adjust through out the evening as people come in (louder) or leave (turn down).

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:14 am 
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I play very loud!! The atmosphere of the club where I play is like a dance club, so I give them what they want, loud dance music with thumping bass to dance to....and, of course, keep the volume going for the singers!! It gives it a real professional concert performance atmosphere for the singer...makes them feel like a rock star!!

At my old bar, I tried to play the music loud enough to make it sound like a live concert, but the 60+ year old bar owner who was ALWAYS there always made me turn it down. Well, I usually turned it down then inched it back up!! Anyway, I left that bar and now work at a better one. I went back the other day to "check out the new guy," and he played his music more like a performance under your breath in an elevator!! VERY VERY soft music, VERY VERY soft vocal. You pretty much has to sit at one of the tables right by his speaker to understand the singers!! You couldn't even hear the singers from the bar 30 FEET AWAY!!!! I naturally project very well and thus sing pretty loud, and I swear that the guy turned my mic off altogether everytime I was up!! Well, anyway, the bar owner got hsi wish of soft music, but hsi bar has gone from 20 year-olds dancing in the aisles and ordering beer after beer to old rednecks watching NASCAR and sipping diet coke while karaoke HAPPENS to be going on at the same time. The bar owner seems to have a ton of $$$ and own the bar as kinda a hobby, and seems to be very happy with this arrangement!!

Anyway, the point being, that you have to be able to read your crowd and see if they like it loud and roucus or just want their karaoke in the background somewhere!!

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In an other words, the kind of crowd and music detrmined the vol. of the sound. I have been in a karaoke bar where the music was REAL loud and mostly dance music and rock. My ears can't stand it.  I prefer softer music, the Lonmans  11 o'clock.

Nothing wrong with loud music just that its not for me.

I hate it when the music is too loud over the vox and even worst when the music is too soft that I cant hear it and sing off key!

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Actually, Lonman's reference to mine goes to 11 is from Spinal Tap.

I tend to do like Lonman.  Keep at about the same level throughout the evening - loud enough to stay above the crowd but not so loud you have to yell at the person next to you to carry on a conversation.

BTW, as for not hearing yourself, that's what a monitor is for.  I use my Fender PD-250 for monitors and they work WONDERFULLY!  Not too much bass and the singers that actually listen to themselves can use them to adjust as they sing.  I tend to point one at the singer and another at me so I can make adjustments throughout the show.


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karaokemeister @ Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:56 am wrote:
Actually, Lonman's reference to mine goes to 11 is from Spinal Tap.


You win!   :whistle:

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I depends but i did just add 2 new killer 128db mackie subs.
It depends on how many people are in the bar, my normal rule is the far side of the bar should be able carry on a conversation. I usually kinda hard to hear on the near side of the bar. I like to be clear and loud, it keeps the enery up.


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karaokemeister @ Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:56 pm wrote:

BTW, as for not hearing yourself, that's what a monitor is for.  I use my Fender PD-250 for monitors and they work WONDERFULLY!  Not too much bass and the singers that actually listen to themselves can use them to adjust as they sing.  I tend to point one at the singer and another at me so I can make adjustments throughout the show.


Over here people sing from where they are seated, not from a stage. Some will sing from the dance floor area.

I depends but i did just add 2 new killer 128db mackie subs.
It depends on how many people are in the bar, my normal rule is the far side of the bar should be able carry on a conversation. I usually kinda hard to hear on the near side of the bar. I like to be clear and loud, it keeps the enery up.


The loud sound from the sub are not that bad its those above the 4khz thats bad when too loud.

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Badsinger @ Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:11 pm wrote:
The loud sound from the sub are not that bad its those above the 4khz thats bad when too loud.


That's when quality components & bi & tri-amping can really make a difference.  If those frequencies are that piercing when loud, the company is running either cheap speakers of low quality (or too small), under powered amp (the kind they try to turn up louder but starts clipping when they do so) or both.  
Get good quality components & enough power (or better yet - more than enough) & the "loud" factor will not sound as irritating, but much cleaner, fuller sounding & bearable when turned up.  This is what MANY companies does not understand.  They get A 100 watt per channel "karaoke" mixer/amp & a couple small speakers, think they are set & wonders why it is so piercing when they turn it up.

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Lonman @ Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:15 am wrote:
Badsinger @ Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:11 pm wrote:
The loud sound from the sub are not that bad its those above the 4khz thats bad when too loud.


That's when quality components & bi & tri-amping can really make a difference. quote]

Bi-amping  is rare here and cross-over are for car audio system LMAO ; so it seem. Whata pity.I have seen 2 ,3 amps being used in a few places that I frequent but those amps were never fed from a cross over. They have 2 seperate systems! What a waste.

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The size and mood of the crowd are both key components to how loud you have things set as well as the atmosphere.  If in question start low enough to where peeps don't have to shout above the music but with enough volume to not make th singer feel uncomfortable then adjust accordingly throughout the evening.  It's mainly a trial & error deal but when you've been in the music biz for awhile it becomes almost automatic when you walk into a club--ya kinda get a feel for those things.  Most times your instincts are right, unless of course you have a 60 yr old owner who thinks everything is too loud ;)


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Badsinger @ Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:09 pm wrote:
Bi-amping  is rare here and cross-over are for car audio system LMAO ; so it seem. Whata pity.I have seen 2 ,3 amps being used in a few places that I frequent but those amps were never fed from a cross over. They have 2 seperate systems! What a waste.


Now I understand why you don't like it loud.  None of the systems are capable of "clean" loudness - as it would seem.

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I personally have no problem with it being loud as long as the sound is clear & sharp, not muffled or distorted.  And there's a good argument, especially if you have a very large crowd, for the volume factor--it can "pump" the energy of the club to a whole new level and create a completely different atmosphere from being a "good night" to "Wow I had a kick (@$%&#!) time last night!!"


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