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| Author: | dave-sinatra [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Ideal world |
It would be cool if I could by a CD that had both the original version/artist of a song and a good Karaoke version on the same CD. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
dave-sinatra @ Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:09 am wrote: It would be cool if I could by a CD that had both the original version/artist of a song and a good Karaoke version on the same CD.
I don't think that is such a great idea. For one, the original version and karaoke version don't always match. What you can get from SC is the karaoke version, and then the same karaoke version with vocals. Now that would help, don't you think? |
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| Author: | DivaHeather [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
Dave: I see where you're going with this, and I do agree, but again the karaoke versions are often just a little different. (or at least enough to drive you crazy) I make my life easy and download the song from iTunes, load up the karaoke tracks to iTunes and burn a custom CD with the songs back to back - that way I can hear the version I'm going for, and then sing it after that. Not the ideal world, but a great duct-tape fix! -Heather |
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| Author: | timberlea [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
I think what he may mean is that when the original artist puts out a CD they should simutaneously put out the same disc in CD+G form with the graphics on it or double side the CD with audio on one side and CD+G on the other. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
timberlea @ Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:32 am wrote: I think what he may mean is that when the original artist puts out a CD they should simutaneously put out the same disc in CD+G form with the graphics on it or double side the CD with audio on one side and CD+G on the other.
Why would any artist want to do that? The karaoke market is too small to justify something like that. Not only that, but you will put a lot of people out on the street when the karaoke producers have no backtracks to make. |
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| Author: | outdoorplaces [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
Pop Hits Monthly, All* (blech), and Top Hits Monthly do this. They provide a karaoke version of the track and then a version with a singer to help learn the song. |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
AllStar @ Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:41 am wrote: Why would any artist want to do that? The karaoke market is too small to justify something like that. Not only that, but you will put a lot of people out on the street when the karaoke producers have no backtracks to make.
Why not? They would get the upper hand on any manufacturer, deny all further karaoke rights so people would HAVE to buy the original cd to get the karaoke tracks. The record industry don't care about the karaoke manufacturers anyway. It would be easy enough to do at the studio as well - create the final track with vocal, then make one more copy without! If they wanted to work with the manus, they could have one of them do the graphics encoding. A labe did this for a short while at least with 1 cd I had, karaoke tracks at the end complete with graphics. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
Lonman @ Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:14 pm wrote: Why not? They would get the upper hand on any manufacturer, deny all further karaoke rights so people would HAVE to buy the original cd to get the karaoke tracks. ...............and decrease the amount of original tracks per CD, 8 instead of say 16, because now every original track has an accompanied karaoke track. Will people still pay $25/CD for getting only 1/2 the tracks?
How would the artist do this? They could bring out the original CD, and also a karaoke version of the CD, but would not be financially sound to bring out a commercial CD with both types. Furthermore, there are way more people interested in buying a CD for the music then there are karaoke fans. It would be great if the original artists would bring out their own karaoke tracks, granted, and would most likely be cheaper, seeing that the original music tracks will be available. On the other hand, how will you get the oldies if you don't have SC, Sunfly, MM or who-ever running a business creating karaoke tracks? |
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| Author: | dave-sinatra [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
I don't like doing a song unless I've heard the original version. But maybe I will try going with the multiplex disks. |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
Well, obviously we wouldn't get older tracks. This would have to apply to newer tracks primarily - although most do have the original multi-track recordings to remove vocals (the Motown tracks come to mind) - cost efficient to do this, probably not, so no the older tracks wouldn't be released. They would not necessarily have to release every track in karaoke form to keep it on the same cd or if they did, they could just use a multiplex recording & have an underlying karaoke track or release a second disc or provide a coupon or something that could get them a karaoke version of the disc if they would like to purchase one - extra money to the record company, original backing tracks to the consumer. |
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| Author: | DivaHeather [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
I can see how this could be profitable for record labels; however, what keeps coming to my mind is the contracts with the musicians playing the backing tracks. You figure if it's a solo artist they have studio pros, oftentimes extremely well-known, highly sought after pros. They could limit to where their tracks are released (again depending on their contract). These guys are all union, so it can get sticky, and with unions that means more money - it would have to be a reasonable cost-benefit analysis. As far as actual bands that play their own stuff - there's a whole new set of problems. Why would they release their own tracks unless it was truly lucrative for them, or if they got something out of it more than they do now? I mean, if a label owned a karaoke manufacturer, I could definitely see the link and potential for corporate profit; however, I don't know how many of those exist, if at all. Otherwise it may be more trouble than it's worth for a relatively small global market. (in comparison to flat record sales) |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
A studio musician is nothing more. They play the music for the artist that wrote the song, that's where it ends. They have no say in how the music is used. They are paid for their work on the record - subcontracted basically. It would ultimately be up to the original artists, record company & possibly ASCAP (type organizations) at that point. |
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| Author: | Jian [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
Its something not yet done in the west but its happening in Asia. A big segment of the karaoke market is still in vcd format (multiplex) and the vocal in the tracks are that of the original singer. Most new album come in the form of both cd and karaoke cd. |
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| Author: | karaokemeister [ Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
In most areas it's called 'Work for hire' and if you're paid to provide a work - be it written, musical, or otherwise, it's a fixed rate and someone else owns the rights to the work after you're paid. Studio musicians often get recognized on the record sleeve, but nothing more. Many times they don't even tour with the group. That aside, I have some CD's that came with a DVD that shows the making of the CD and other neat video. Take the original music, slap on the graphics, release only with the original disc and refuse others to make the tracks. You've monopolized the karaoke market for the artist and it's, uh, believe it or not, legal! Of course, it could be other issues depending on who wrote the songs originally. |
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| Author: | dave-sinatra [ Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
Well right now I am buying a CDG, then buying the original artist CD so I can learn the song how it was originally done. I would hope that a combo disk would be cheaper than that. But again I have yet to give the multiplex disks a try. Maybe that will be all I need. |
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| Author: | Jian [ Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
dave-sinatra @ Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:09 pm wrote: But again I have yet to give the multiplex disks a try. Maybe that will be all I need. There are only a few english songs that are original in multiplex version, most are cover version. |
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| Author: | dave-sinatra [ Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ideal world |
DivaHeather @ Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:31 am wrote: Dave:
I see where you're going with this, and I do agree, but again the karaoke versions are often just a little different. (or at least enough to drive you crazy) I make my life easy and download the song from iTunes, load up the karaoke tracks to iTunes and burn a custom CD with the songs back to back - that way I can hear the version I'm going for, and then sing it after that. Not the ideal world, but a great duct-tape fix! -Heather I like this idea. But why bother with a CD? I know my KJ pretty well and I suspect he might let me plug any equipment I have into his PA system. I would have to use my own screen to read the words. What would I need to do this? Thanks, :-David |
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