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| Author: | Jian [ Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Copyright law anyone? |
Think you know about copyright law? Each time a record is played on the radio, compensation is paid to certain individuals or organizations who played a role in the creation of that record. Which of the following people (or organizations) receives a portion of this compensation? a,The songwriter b,The artist performing the song on the record c,The record company |
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| Author: | karaokemeister [ Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Copyright law anyone? |
IIRC it's the copyright holder of the original music and/or lyrics. Often it's the songwriter, but many times they sign the rights over to the record companies or other intellectul property management groups as a portion of their contract. So no, it's not usually the artist performing unless they also wrote the song and maintained ownership of the music/lyrical copyrights. BTW, Elvis' manager wouldn't let him sing any song they didn't have the rights to for a LONG time to prevent a situation similar to this happening. Elvis would sing, someone else would get paid. |
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| Author: | angelinme [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Copyright law anyone? |
Well that was very informative! |
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| Author: | lyquiddye [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Copyright law anyone? |
Actually, that copyright isn't the big problem. The person who has the royalty rights to the song is the one getting the checks, why do you think MJ boutgh all those Beatles songs? Acutally if a local artist in your area has copyrights to a song they get nothing from their song being played on the radio unless they are an ACSAP member. |
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| Author: | Jian [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Copyright law anyone? |
lyquiddye @ Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:58 am wrote: Actually, that copyright isn't the big problem. The person who has the royalty rights to the song is the one getting the checks, why do you think MJ boutgh all those Beatles songs? Acutally if a local artist in your area has copyrights to a song they get nothing from their song being played on the radio unless they are an ACSAP member.
Assuming that the song writer have the right to the royalty and is a member of ACSAP, How does he get paid: who keep track of the number of times the song is being played; the number of listeners etc? |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Copyright law anyone? |
Badsinger @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:05 pm wrote: [Assuming that the song writer have the right to the royalty and is a member of ACSAP, How does he get paid: who keep track of the number of times the song is being played; the number of listeners etc?
Copyrights don't have anything to do with publishing rights. Copyright protects a piece of work from being claimed by another as their own. Publishing is where the artist gets the royalties. Radio stations, tv stations & the like all keep track of how many songs get played when & how often. These get paid accordingly to the respective publisher to take care of the royalties. Clubs are different, they basically pay a blanket fee per publisher based on how many people the club seats on an annual basis also per TYPE of entertainment. |
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| Author: | karaokemeister [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Copyright law anyone? |
Radio stations submit the playlist is my understanding. It 'could' be different but I remember reading that somewhere..... just don't remember where. |
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| Author: | karaokefun [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Copyright law anyone? |
When I was a college DJ several moons ago, we kept a log of every song we played, and it was sent somewhere. I always figured it was for royalties purposes. |
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| Author: | Jian [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Copyright law anyone? |
Some more question: Does copyright to a song ever expire? I am sure it does, cos who collect for Bach(?) When collect for songs like Happy Birthday to You and other 'common/folk songs |
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| Author: | karaokemeister [ Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Copyright law anyone? |
In the US (other countries vary) the copyrights typically expire 75 years after the death of the author - music or published work. Note that even though the music from Bach, Brahms, etc aren't copyrighted a specific performance CAN still be copyrighted. Any time 'Happy Birthday' and similar songs are sang you can send in a payment to ASCAP/BMI/SESAC for a public performance which would be forwarded to the license holder. Most don't bother though because it's not practical for the home birthday parties. BTW, that's why you don't find the 'standard' happy birthday song being sung in most venues - the people that own the license to that song were not kind about 'suddenly' enforcing and requesting payment. |
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| Author: | Jian [ Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Copyright law anyone? |
Thanks karaokemeister , so I can assume that after 75 years as in the State the songs become public properties |
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| Author: | karaokemeister [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Copyright law anyone? |
Remember, it's 75 years after their DEATH. If they wrote it at 25, live to be 100, it's 150 years before it's available. And it was less until a short time ago when they upped the amount of time. As always, double check with an IP attorney for specifics regarding various countries. |
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