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| Author: | fromadistance [ Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
I love to sing,i have always sung(sang?) from being for young up til even today.I am not a good singer,my voice cracks,sounds flat etc... I don't understand pitch,notes or any of that other stuff.I'll watch idol and hear a singer sing and say wow that was incredible,then the judges will say they were pitchy all over,i heard a great song,i don't know what they were listening to. I'm not shy about singing even though i'm not very good at it.I sing just because of the way it makes me feel.Music just has such an influence on me,my moods,memories,action etc...i guess you could say it just affects my soul. I listen to the showcase all the time and wow!there sure are some awesome singers here.i'd enter a sub up but i still haven't figured out the "making of a sub" yet.i just bought a Yamaha EMX66 M,some nice 15" speakers with mics.already have a jvc player and a decent library.just waiting for my new stuff to arrive.Will be interesting to see how much worse i'm thinking it's going to sound not running through my stereo receiver! Well i'm kinda getting off topic,my question is "Can a bad singer become a good singer?"or even a better singer Or do you really just have to have been born with a raw talent to begin with?We don't have any voice teachers around my area and honestly i don't think i could do it anyway with my work schedule.If it is possible,what would be a good way to working on improvement? I read a 2 part post by jazzy that she had up on SS sometime ago about singing technique,i found that to be really interesting.i'll try some of that stuff but then it seems i'm so focused on trying to get the tecnique in there i lose the sense and enjoyment of the song. Well i don't expect to be a virtuoso or anything like that but maybe i could get more enjoyment knowing that i don't sound so bad.there are some songs that i think i can wing ok,mostly country and not songs with alot of range.i would absolutely fall down to be able to even get through an elton john song! |
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| Author: | Big Mike [ Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
Just practice singing your favorites. You can get a karaoke machine for less that $40 just about anywhere now. If you can record and listen to yourself singing, that will help too. I know it has me! There were songs that I thought I was doing well, but then found patches that I realized needed some work. The other thing to keep in mind is that if singing becomes such work that you are losing the enjoyment of just singing, perhaps it's time to move on to another hobby. Unless you are planning to make a living singing, just enjoy it for what it is. |
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| Author: | SwingcatKurt [ Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
You probly need a certain minimal amount of natural talent. But i think its much more important to match yourself to the correct song for your style, voice etc. If your a hard rock singer--your probley not well suited to slow ballads or silky r & b. The other part is PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. Pick a song and sing it OVER AND OVER until you MASTER IT. Again find one that would MATCH your voice and then parctice it--and you can tell as your singing it if its working. If you have to go back over and over a section thats difficult then do so. Work on your meter and timing and pay attention to the starts and stops. Dont try to OVERPOWER it--let the mic do the work. Ive found I can be much smoother and not near a choppy if i reduce my voice power and sing it SMOOTHER and little quieter. Study a certain type of music that u love best. For me its Swing and Blues or anything with a blues walking bassline or shuffle beat. Then find a song in that genre where your voice is COMFORTABLE and not trying to OVER POWER it or TRY TOO HARD with it. Then PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. Record yourself if needed to listen and learn. Once you become proficient on that one song then you can start trying improvisations on the singing STYLE and PHRASING. But at first get ONE SONG THAT YOU CAN DO WELL THATS COMFORTABLE FOR YOUR STYLE AND VOICE SOUND. |
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| Author: | Jer [ Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
Well I am no good either, which sucks because want to perform. I have been singing for 2 years with weekly lessons. I also post a lot on DTS and once in a great while on here. So, can a bad singer become a good singer...I don't know, someone train me and lets find out 
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| Author: | Jian [ Mon May 02, 2005 7:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
When I first started singing I was realy BAD, thus the name. I think I have improved over the years. How much was the improvement? Dont ask just listen to my sub. |
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| Author: | outdoorplaces [ Tue May 03, 2005 10:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
Like everything else in life you need SOMETHING to work off of. Some people just don't have that. Picking songs that you can sing, versus songs that you love to sing but can't sing well is key. I firmly believe that everyone, even someone who feels they are a bad singer has an "it" song that they can sing well. Practice helps - A LOT. Your vocal chords are muscles, muscles must be exercised and cared for. Too much screaming, yelling, straining, hurts the voice. Breathing exercises help. Doing scales helps. Getting a voice coach if you're REALLY serious is a big help. Just singing a lot in general will improve your voice. Proper microphone control is key. This is the single biggest mistake I've seen other singers do as a KJ. They hold the mike out to far, rely on it too much and don't project, or scream into it with it up on their lips. They don't change the location to pick up the variations in their voice, and they hold it down. Ugh, mike control is a HUGE issue for singers in a Karaoke setting. I have some regular singers that come in that have voices that borderline on painful, but I have seen a lot of improvement in two singers that stick out in my mind. They sing the same material, try like Hell, and are dedicated to improving their voice, and it shows. Hope this helped a bit! |
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| Author: | Synthetikrose [ Wed May 04, 2005 5:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
It is very possible to do raunchy gravel in your voice without damaging it, as well as screaming. (think phantom of the opera) One song I have been working on perfecting is "Fly to the Angels" by Slaughter. You'd be suprised at how great this song really is when sung by a female instead. I was told I have the rare talent to push the hard voice to the limit without damaging it, but on the other hand I'm done for if I try to sing Guns N Roses (completely removed from the repitoir). If you record yourself singing, you can better hear what may need improvment. As for pitch problems, I'm not certain if this can be repaired. Either you can hear the note or you can't. I feel as though "tone-deafness" is a handicapp like blindness(not to irritate the blind) but some people who are completely tone-deaf will just never be able to sing. I wonder what music sounds like to them, if it sounds different. |
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| Author: | Debauchery [ Wed May 04, 2005 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
Synthetikrose wrote: As for pitch problems, I'm not certain if this can be repaired. Either you can hear the note or you can't. I feel as though "tone-deafness" is a handicapp like blindness(not to irritate the blind) but some people who are completely tone-deaf will just never be able to sing. I wonder what music sounds like to them, if it sounds different.
Tone-deafness can possibly be repaired... although it takes a lot of time and effort. Check out this article: Tone-Deafness. Since it's not an advertisement (merely a written article on the subject), I see no reason the link should be removed by admin. Some excepts from the article as follows: Tone-deaf people live from early in life with tone-deafness. The ability to hear a pitch and sing it back is similar to hand-eye coordination. Neither one of these abilities are born into us, we have to learn them. Babies do not have hand-eye coordination. Singing is optional. We all develop hand-eye coordination as a part of our basic survival skills. Nevertheless, we could go our whole lives without singing and be fine. We want to sing, but we have to make a conscious effort to learn. Some people make this effort as children, and we assume they were born with it. This is not so. As with anything, it comes more naturally to some than to others, but we all have to learn. Numerous people believe that tone-deafness does not exist. Many people believe that they are tone-deaf. Many of the tone-deaf people have been able to work on their problem, and by correcting their singing techniques, as well as releasing their constrictions, they have learned to sing in tune. "Tone-deaf" singers often have severe constrictions around their vocal cords. Usually they have had these tensions for such a long time that they no longer feel like tensions. A person often finds psychological reasons for these tensions. ---------------------------------- I know that I am not tone-deaf. I have the ability to hear everything I produce vocally and when it's out of tune or off-pitch. Thus making me more critical. However, I also know that I never "learned" this ability (or tried to, anyway). I've sang as long as I can remember. I recall singing made-up things into a tape recorder as early as 3. But as I grew older, I remember spending countless hours sitting in my room listening to old records, singing along and following along meticulously with the original singer. I must have been "learning" how to sing, although not consciously. In junior high and high school choir (my only real 'classroom' environment for vocal improvement) I never really had to learn anything that we sang. I could pick up sheet music and sing it instantly, whereas many people in the choir had to hear it first, and then practice many times before being able to sing it. I was taught to read sheet music in 6th grade band, so it came somewhat naturally for choir. I also know what I am and am NOT capable of vocally. I don't attempt anything that is out of my range or that my vocal chords are uncomfortable with. And I practice new things and try to get as close as possible to the original pitch. Practice is obviously very important. I believe that everyone can eventually sound better provided they practice at it. Someone up there said the vocal chords are muscles that need to be exercised... absolutely! I've learned new things with my own voice simply by listening to someone else and TRAINING my chords to do the same -- WITH PRACTICE. Anyway, just rambling off my 2 cents here... |
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| Author: | big jimmy c [ Wed May 04, 2005 3:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
Hey fromadistance, When I first sang karaoke I completely stunk. Afterwards I wondered why I was always picked for choir at church and school. An old trick I devised many moons ago, Get a walkman. Put one headphone speaker on one ear and leave the other one off the other ear. Play tapes/cds and sing to them. One of your ears will hear your voice and the other will hear the music/voice of the tape/cd. You will instantly know if the song is in your key etc. Try more cds/tapes and eventually you will find your niche. |
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| Author: | Tom Eaton [ Thu May 05, 2005 6:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
A person's singing can definitely be improved with practice, except perhaps in the unusual case of the truly tone-deaf (can't distinguish the sound between two clearly different pitches). That doesn't mean that just anybody can be fantastic; just that they can get better. Remember, too, that "good" is entirely (or at least mostly) subjective. Barry Manilow and Bob Dylan sold a lot of records. I agree with everybody else. Practice is the main thing. Recording yourself is really the best way to figure out if you're getting any better. |
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| Author: | prokaraoke.net [ Thu May 19, 2005 7:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
practice, practice, practice |
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| Author: | fromadistance [ Sat May 21, 2005 6:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
thank you all for the replies.i have been practicing and trying to read as much as possible on different singing techniques. i think i sound flat,monotone and without any real expression.i've been reading on head,chest,middle voices and breathing and am practicing them.i got a couple subs up,sorry bout your ears! LOL but i thought it would be a good way to get some feedback on what i might work on. been working on figuring out my new equipment and software also.just got an yamaha emx66m mixer with 15 inch club speakers and adobe audition 1.5 software.pretty detailed software it seems.right now i have been recording to my laptop and peeling the songs off the laptop with my main computer on the network. |
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| Author: | rjfoster [ Sat May 21, 2005 6:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can a bad singer become a good singer? |
Can a bad singer become a good one? I think so - all it takes is lots of practice! The beautiful thing about signing is that you ALWAYS have your instrument with you - so practice whenever you can - while driving, while doing chores around the house, and of course in the shower! :) |
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