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I'm talking about songs where clearly there are mistakes, but are songs that we love and are deep in our hearts.

One I can think of is "Dedicated to the One I Love" when Michelle Phillips sings "and the darkest hour is right before dawn" and she is off pitch on "dawn" but it sounds beautiful and right somehow.

Just being at SS lately has made me think perfection isn't always necessary.

Well, I'll tell ya tig....since I've been on a major Phantom of the Opera kick these past few weeks (as we're doing a cast recording of the play), the entire album of the new movie soundtrack is flawed.  Gerard Butler does not have a trained singer's voice.  He struggles on all his high notes, often yelling them rather than singing them, and he has very little breath control, often unable to sustain a note for more than a few seconds at a time, and has no vibratto at all.

However, he sings with passion and with such intensity, that I can overlook those flaws and enjoy him for what he is:  A very talented actor who got the distinction of being the guy who was not Michael Crawford.  So much so, that I have tried to incorporate aspects of his performance into my own.

If that makes any sense at all...
Jason

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I can't think of a particular song... although I know there are a few outside the example I'm about to give...

Basically ANYTHING David Bowie sings. I know.. it's freaky, but if you listen to him, he goes off-pitch quite often when he sings, yet his voice is just so COOL that it somehow works anyway and almost adds to the dissonant feeling most of his music has.

Did I mention I LOVE David Bowie?? L-O-L
(um, and jvj of course... heheheh... he's my own personal DB)

Well, I hear flaws in any song where Sting sings. Any song where Paul McCartney sings (just for examples!). They're brilliant song writers (I do love most of their songs) but to me, they're just terrible singers. There are many well-known singers in Finland that suck big time, but who've made a fortune by making excellent songs for themselves. So it's not always just about the vocal work. If the whole is great, it's usually more than enough!

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I was trying to hear that part in my head.  Than I realized that the versions of the song I was hearing were sung by either Cass Elliott, or Linda Ronstandt. This song was written in the 50's. Never heard Michelle Phillips do it.

Seby funny thing about Bowie.  I can't stand his "signiture style".  This guy is a brilliant musician with a choir boy quality voice, than he decides to go with a whiney sliding around the note style on "Young Americans" and most of his compositions.  Why people like Dylan, Bowie, and others (that actually have an excellent ear) do this kind of thing never made sense to me.  Yet of course they become brilliant admired pop and folk musicians  (so what do I know) ... shrug. I think in the case of Bowie however, he is a genius marketer too. He probably had amazing insight into what would work given the times.  Then you get Petty who wants to sing like Dylan..
Yet Bowie is a millionaire, who does his own financial planning. He has an amazing eye for architecture, and just a knack for all sorts of stuff...  If Bowie says whining around the note is "what's in"... I not only will learn that he's correct, yet also stand a chance at being a singer myself  :)

"Flawed" becomes questionable of course.  Anything in the 60's before I aquired a taste  (or just got used to and tolerated)  Rod Stewart, Mick Jagger, Joe Cocker, Richie Havens, Leo Sayer, Tom Petty and numerous others sounded flawed.  If the degree of gravel in their voices didn't sound like raspy howling to me; my desire to hear the notes that never quite seemed to resolve or match the pitch they were going for took a long time to learn to compromise.

Was Crawford the only Phantom ?   or were there others ?

Well, the only thing I can suggest as far as my liking Bowie (has NOTHING to do with his 'marketing' btw, since I ordered my first Bowie album after hearing a couple of his songs at a friend's house and not really knowing who the heck he was.. I just liked the SOUND so much I had to have it), is what I tried to express in my post above, that his odd vocals lend a kind of... ethereal 'dissonance' (yet, not TOO dissonant) to his music which really suites his style of music... most of the time anyway. I don't like ALL bowie music, but I LOVE his darker stuff.

I can't put my finger on it either, except that his music, and probably others who are far from perfect singers, yet 'perfect' in their own ways, reach the listener on some emotional level that we simply cannot ignore. Heck, maybe he has subliminal messages buried in his music. heheheh

I didn't mean Bowie directly markets to the listener.  I think Bowie back in the 60's and 70's had a VERY keen insight into what would "make it".

what flawed songs do i love.....all ma own lmaoooo

R-O-T-F-L missy