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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 3:41 am 
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Well, I am sure you all remember movies or carnivals where the local
principal or authority figure or whatever gets in a chair and people throw something at a target and if they hit it, dunk goes the chair in the water. This is similiar to the stick your face in the hole for the pie toss.

I will try and make this post as general as possible.

Posting on this is the equivalent of climbing in the chair, so I do expect a certain amount of dunks.

The current point system and implementation of such has some glitches which are used to cheat and bypass what could be a fair rating system.

Without a long ramble. We have established a few obvious points after thousands of posts.

1) Some people like the have the perk of having impossibly high ratings without allowing anyone to further critque their music.
2) Even though some people want to submit JFF, they resent others who want their music critiqued.
3) Some people feel they would like to selectively choose who can critique and who cannot so they can control the fluff and prevent people from giving them poor ratings.
4) It is amazing what lengths someone will go to tweak with the system or find any hole in it to protect their rating.

Someday I would like to have a shot at being the best singer on here, or at least try. I am sure there are a few who would, and I would like to have a fair chance to compete to do that. Creating rating lockouts and best singer lists which ensure there can be no fair competition is wrong.

I may never make it up there, especially since we still have "critique fear" which means certain individuals are intensely critiqued and others coming back and posting the same sub, which other users were ripped up on, have individuals who swore the oath to be truthful, and yet not wanting to offend, have lapsed into semi-fluff and tactful comments.

Can't do much about this one. And can't do much about the JFF subs from alledged professionals who will not allow the "common masses", us I guess, to say anything negative about their subs, basically locking out any negative  comments while allowing positive critiques "you have a wonderful voice", "it's such a pleasure to hear you again", "I so look forward to your subs."

Whatever. Accept the things you cannot change - wisdow to know the difference.

I guess I just would like to have a chance to say what I feel about a public sub, and not have it filtered by - now "you can't say anything bad here, it's a JFF."  In real life Karaoke, you do not bind the hands of the listeners so they can clap or not clap. But for the sake of fun, I guess, in here it is a workable solution.

So, I will have to focus one last definite incongruity. Subbers with no criticable subs, or for that case "no subs at all". These should not be allowed on the best singers list. It is that simple. This is unfair, manipulative, and cheating.

Just like the top 40 in the musical world, or American Idol, those wishing to compete, as in be rated, should be required to have available songs to rate.

Phil has been very gracious about creating a JFF selection and even an option to not even have your music commented on.

If you are here just for fun, or want some of your songs JFF, that's cool. Changing a rated song, or songs to from C to JFF, to lock the rating, is cheating.

To remove songs which have poorer ratings to boost your average, (while this should not work sometimes it does) is cheating.

What I have said is meant to applies  to everyone. It is not meant to be negative, only to assure we all have an equal chance for the brass ring. Fair is fair.

I never liked the canned laughter on sitcoms. I never liked the  "clap, oooh, and aw signs" on wheel of fortune. I never liked the 64,000,000 question contestants being given the answers ahead of times.

I would ask either kill the rating system or make it fair.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:41 am 
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I think that overall rankings should be retained, even when songs are deleted... but, folks should only be on the 'top ranked' list if they actually have something open for critique (thus allowing for the dynamic quality of that list).

Changing a song from 'C' to 'JFF', should erase that song's rating, because in essence, the person is saying 'whoops!! I didn't want to be rated on this song!'


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