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Author:	jeanvaljean [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:43 am ]
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I just got through lisssstening to Phil Collins and Marilyn Martin singing seperate lives and Phil has the same S thing as I do. I thought it would an interesting topic as to list other singers who have lisps, speech impediments, and other weird vocal things that have gone on to be megastars. Even more interesting. Artists who have become famous for stuttering and mispronouncing words. Rememering in the Who g-g-g-g generation. Do go listen to Separate Lives.

Author:	syberchick70 [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:29 am ]
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!! you DONT HAVE A LISP!!! Well, not really anyway. Just cause you've had that problem with your front tooth the last year or so... it's a dental problem, not a speech impediment!! lordy... ya goose

Author:	karaokemeister [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:47 am ]
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There are lots of stars that have problems... Consider 'In A Gada Da Vida'. Iron Butterfly was so messed up when they recorded it that's how it came out. It was supposed to be 'In The Garden Of Eden'. Of course there's was caused by drugs and al-kee-hol, but similar problem! And everytime a radio station does a 'telethon' fund raiser where they'll play any song if you donate xx dollars per minute somebody will always call up and ask for all 20+ minutes of it! Even had one person call up and ask for it to be played 3 times back to back. Not too many songs that long you can use like that!

Author:	milo [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:56 am ]
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jeanvaljean wrote: Do go listen to Separate Lives. I did...the recorded and live version. I didn't hear it. Anyone else?

Author:	syberchick70 [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:30 pm ]
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I think the Phill Collins thing is more of a 'crisp' s sound. Anyway, I think hubby is stressing too much over something we can fix pretty easily. :p We just haven't had the opportunity to do it yet. It would be going overboard to try learning to talk differently on something that could be fixed with a few trips to the dentist. sigh

Author:	milo [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:15 pm ]
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...say 'crisp lisp' 3 X I agree it would be a waste of time, particularly if he has to make some adjustments after it's been fixed. My youngest was born tongue tied and they advised me not to worry about his speech until it was fixed. He had his surgery when he was 5. I was also born tongue tied and the doctor clipped it in an office visit when I was a baby. No putting me under, no local, nothing.

Author:	Gilly [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:17 pm ]
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Phil collins is actually my fave male singer... I never thought anything I heard of him sounded... lispy (is lispy a word?):) and milo.. you are online!? where ARE you. I went to find you.. argh, people avoiding me:) ANyways... I just asked my lil sister, and she insists that.. "nick carter" has a lisp. And he was popular for awhile.. right? Lol.

Author:	karaokefun [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:29 pm ]
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Well, she didn't quite make it into the realm of "megastar", but Ashlee Simpson has made a lot of money, and she definitely has a "weird vocal thing" going on.

Author:	Crystal [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:39 pm ]
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yeah... the "vocal thing" is called CAT-IN-HEAT ! nah I'm only kidding.... I kinda like her growly gargly voice... well her STUDIO voice anyway. ! her live voice? not so much.....

Author:	syberchick70 [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:53 pm ]
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Miss Milo wrote: ...say 'crisp lisp' 3 X I agree it would be a waste of time, particularly if he has to make some adjustments after it's been fixed. My youngest was born tongue tied and they advised me not to worry about his speech until it was fixed. He had his surgery when he was 5. I was also born tongue tied and the doctor clipped it in an office visit when I was a baby. No putting me under, no local, nothing. 'tongue-tied'?? (i'm gonna do a Gilly here...) Wha?

Author:	Steven Kaplan [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:03 pm ]
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Carly Simon had probs with stuttering. This is an interesting page. It's abit off topic, yet it's a listing of famous people and their disabilities. You might find it interesting. http://www.freespeech.com/archives/001988.html As to how they accurately diagnose some of these eminent people 100's of years ago, with disabilities that weren't recognized in these peoples times I have no idea. Perhaps reading their writing, and speculating. Anyway, thought it would be fun to pass on

Author:	milo [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:50 pm ]
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syberchick70 wrote: 'tongue-tied'?? (i'm gonna do a Gilly here...) Wha? whadda ya mean, wa? Tongue-tie is when the membrane under the tongue (the frenulum) extends excessively toward the tip of tongue. His membrane was an intact piece of tissue attached to the floor of the mouth and extending down the length of the underside of the tongue. Look in the mirror at the underside of your tongue. You'll see it!

Author:	Steven Kaplan [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:35 pm ]
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(the frenulum) So that's my membrane ? (scratching head)

Author:	Sheree [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:39 pm ]
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Miss Milo wrote: Look in the mirror at the underside of your tongue. You'll see it! Ahhhh yeth..... I sthee it!!!

Author:	Shotgun CC [ Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:21 am ]
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Quote: As to how they accurately diagnose some of these eminent people 100's of years ago, with disabilities that weren't recognized in these peoples times I have no idea. Anecdotal records. The American Speech-Language & Hearing Association (ASHA) has a lot of information for those of you who wish to read more about this as well. www.asha.org Much of Carly's "stuttering" was stage fright induced, tho not all. She also had/has a minor "lisp" if you listen carefully. ... However, I think we all know of Mel Tillis .... who was/is a severe stutterer when talking.... but completely fluent while singing (as is the case with MOST people who stutter).

Author:	metalgod [ Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:27 am ]
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It seems like alot of the so called opera metal singers have lisps. And my old bass player had a bad stuttering problem but when he sang back up he wailed his (@$%&#!) off. Check out Bostons 1st album, Brad Delps voice which is ALMOST impossible to do has something funny going on too.

Author:	Shotgun CC [ Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:56 am ]
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Quote: It seems like alot of the so called opera metal singers have lisps. Most everyone produces the /s/ sound with some distortion. Primarily because... the tongue tip should come in approximation (touch) the ridge behind the lower front teeth as air is forced forward and out. However... because this is such a wide region in the mouth ... and because the teeth can also act as a "resistence" for the tongue ... some people place their tongues on their teeth ... making the /s/ sound more "airy".... or .. some allow their tongues to protrude "between" their teeth... either slightly (still an /s/ but sounding "hissy" ... or all the way out between the teeth (making the /s/ sound like a /th/ ... and THIS is considered a true "lisp" (not a tech term, but it works!). Quote: And my old bass player had a bad stuttering problem but when he sang back up he wailed his (@$%&#!) off. As for stutterers not stuttering when they sing... (without becoming terribly technical) ... opposite sides of the brain are used for speech and music. Generating speech (conversation) requires "thought" ...... whereas, with singing, the words and "cadence" are provided. Therefore, the act of singing... is more "learned/automatic" than the act of speaking, and can be practiced. Think about the difference between reciting a nursery rhyme, or a prayer, or the pledge of alligence ... and gettting up and spontaneously speaking... i.e... called on in class, etc.... Even tho singing "resembles" speaking.... Singing is really a much more "automatic, reflexive and rhythmic process.. than the actual process of "generating speech".... and because opposite sides of the brain are responsible for "automatic" skills - vs - "thinking skills" ... the TRUE stutterer.. who has some type of "neurological glitch" in one portion of the brain... when singing, is using the opposite or "non affected" side of the brain when singing. Hope that helps explain that.... And I apologize if I've bored anyone. Take Care ~~~

Author:	Crystal [ Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:23 am ]
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didn't bore me...... that's pretty interesting.... Sometimes my s's are so pronounced, they almost sound like whistles.... drives me nuts, but I can't help it... when I make an s sound... my bottom jaw slips to the side a bit (my bottom teeth don't line up with the top) and the TIP of my toungue doesn't touch anything.... kinda floats behind my teeth.... sounding like a snake as I sit here explaining this the part of my tounge that touches that ridge you're talking about is about a centimeter back from the tip...and it's just the outer edges of my tounge... the middle is kind of bowed slightly, that's where the air comes through... actually.......if anything.... the TIP of my tounge is touching the back of my bottom teeth, while the s sound is coming from the roof of ma mouth through that bowed-tounge thing i was explaining.... ! this conversation is hillarious to me! I can just picture you all trying to make your s's like mine... don't forget to slide your bottom jaw to one side! ! (why the heck do I do that??)

Author:	Crystal [ Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:25 am ]
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Sheraokee wrote: Miss Milo wrote: Look in the mirror at the underside of your tongue. You'll see it! Ahhhh yeth..... I sthee it!!! !! Sheree! you crack me up!! !

Author:	Shotgun CC [ Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:49 am ]
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Quote: actually.......if anything.... the TIP of my tounge is touching the back of my bottom teeth, while the s sound is coming from the roof of ma mouth through that bowed-tounge thing i was explaining.... ... good description, Crystal!!! yup... the air flows over the top of the tongue... and out thru the teeth..... the tongue tip... is "planted" somewhere on that ridge behind your bottom teeth (as I mentioned above, some people use their teeth). The more firmly you plant your tongue tip.... the "tenser" the whole tongue becomes... and of course, then the /s/ sound will be more precise. I too... tend have a "shrill sounding" /s/. Your 'bite' has a lot to do with that!! Yours, as is mine.. is slightly shifted to one side. Not too much we can do about that... 'cept wear braces to correct that shift. Can't speak for you... but I'm thinking a great big ...NO THANKS!! Quote: can just picture you all trying to make your s's like mine... I know.... .... I was thinking that when I was writing. Everyone is gonna be sitting in front of their computers today.... "analyzing" how they make the /s/ .... and making all kinds of funny sounds trying to change it. What a VISUAL!!

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