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| Author: | jclaydon [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | I think I might finally be learning something |
So after studying a buttload of posted links and further youtube videos, i finally decided that i understood enough to at least try out the 'max out every channel, back off a bit and then turn the sensitivity knob to a comfortable level" method of gain structure. So i got out my behringer mixer, mackie 10" active sub and a whole buttload of different wires and my wireless mic. Oh man, i couldn't believe it, i was FLOORED for the first time in doing karaoke for THREE years i could ACTUALLY get the gain to a point where i could mix around unity which i already knew what was supposed to happen, but was never able to achieve *my mics would be maxing out just barely after turning the fader a couple of mm from off* My amp was only at 12 o'clock and it was as loud as i could stand it, CRYSTAL clear as all get out and absolutely NO feedback. Thanks for the heads up everyone -James |
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| Author: | jdmeister [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think I might finally be learning something |
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| Author: | karaokeniagarafalls [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think I might finally be learning something |
Some might say this is a Trick in the recording world to "Max out your Channel Gains in the red (20DB) and then drop your Masters 20DB (or just a couple ticks almost off) resulting in a very cool Clean mix but with the tube style "Bite" I personally do not recommend this, but hey, too each his own. |
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| Author: | Paradigm Karaoke [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think I might finally be learning something |
karaokeniagarafalls wrote: Some might say this is a Trick in the recording world to "Max out your Channel Gains in the red (20DB) and then drop your Masters 20DB (or just a couple ticks almost off) resulting in a very cool Clean mix but with the tube style "Bite" I personally do not recommend this, but hey, too each his own. sensitivity is the gain. he maxed out his faders and raised the gain to the level he liked. not a proper way, but not what you described. explain your 20 years experience again not knowing what sensitivity is.... plus where have you come across a meter that maxes out at 20? most stop by +16 and that is anything but a clean mix. |
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| Author: | karaokeniagarafalls [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think I might finally be learning something |
I am not gonna try to explain in detail. If you don't get it, then you just don't get it, but if you do get it you know what I mean. Please note that if you boost two channels +20db that's (+40DB boost between both channels) then lower the master an additional -20DB (-40DB) (@$%&#!) sensitivity Here watch a video instead. |
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| Author: | Paradigm Karaoke [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think I might finally be learning something |
that video just proved my point. 1) gain = sensitivity...you missed that before and thought they were different. 2) most meters stop at +16 like those even on the SC mixer 3) going into the red (+12, +16) does not give a nice tube "bite", unless you are using a tube pre or are going onto tape in recording. in live or digital you just get crackly distortion. |
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| Author: | karaokeniagarafalls [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think I might finally be learning something |
i'm not referring to the meters, I'm referring to Boosting channel "input" gain into the "Red" +20DB (Distortion will occur when going to 45 - 50 DB) and lowing the "Output" -20 DB (master faders) resulting ain a "Hot" but clean sound. This is besides gain structures, It's just a trick in the "Digital" recording world tis all. 
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| Author: | Paradigm Karaoke [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think I might finally be learning something |
karaokeniagarafalls wrote: i'm referring to the meters me too... karaokeniagarafalls wrote: , I'm referring to Boosting channel "input" gain into the "Red" +20DB (Distortion will occur when going to 45 - 50 DB) now if you are talking about how much gain is being applied to the mic, than you are still wrong. adding 20dB gain to a 58 won't put you into the red, unless you have a singer with volume. i'll clip it at the setting., but the next singer will be nearly inaudible. this is what i am talking about. when you have spoken about gain you give absolutes and there is no such thing. if you push a mic into the red continuously (that is +16 for most mixers) you are clipping. that is not a smooth tube llike distortion, but a hard clip (with the exception of high end boards...Midas, SSL etc). karaokeniagarafalls wrote: and lowing the "Output" -20 DB (master faders) resulting ain a "Hot" but clean sound. lowering the faders does nothing for the already slipped signal distorting. it's already ruined. running hot into an old Studer is a normal occurrence, but that is tape saturation, not signal clipping. karaokeniagarafalls wrote: This is besides gain structures, It's just a trick in the "Digital" recording world tis all. digital is the last place you want to run hot. in digital you actually run signals lower than in the analog world. |
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| Author: | karaokeniagarafalls [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think I might finally be learning something |
Nevermind... you don't understand what i'm saying, let's just forget about it. You are correct in things you mention but you're not understanding what I mean here. It's OK though. You're a man... carry on. 
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