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Author:  ultraming [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:14 am ]
Post subject:  Mixer questions
Looking for a mixer for home theater karaoke setup. Do I need special feature from the mixer in order to set echo? Or any mixer will do it? Thanks.
Author:  Tony [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Mixer questions
ultraming wrote:
Looking for a mixer for home theater karaoke setup. Do I need special feature from the mixer in order to set echo? Or any mixer will do it? Thanks.


For home karaoke you don't need to go overboard. The Behringer Euroracks are very nice mixers, and affordable. You can pick up an
Behringer Eurorack UB1622FX-PRO 16-Input Mixer for $179 at your local Guitar Center, and that comes with all the FX you'll ever need for you mic's.
Author:  Micky [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mixer questions
AllStar wrote:
ultraming wrote:
Looking for a mixer for home theater karaoke setup. Do I need special feature from the mixer in order to set echo? Or any mixer will do it? Thanks.


For home karaoke you don't need to go overboard. The Behringer Euroracks are very nice mixers, and affordable. You can pick up an
Behringer Eurorack UB1622FX-PRO 16-Input Mixer for $179 at your local Guitar Center, and that comes with all the FX you'll ever need for you mic's.


AllStar, is that the mixer you have? If yes, we now have the same dbx-266XL & now this!! I fully agree with you, great mixer but I don't use the Behringer reverb but the Lexicon MPX 110, do you also have this one???

Honestly, don't see why anyone would want to spend more on another brand for home use, Behringer often gets a bad press, but the reality is, if we can now buy Pro equipment for so little it's all because of this brand!!
They make EXCELLENT mixers & studio monitor (TRUTH B2031A)
Author:  Lonman [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mixer questions
Micky wrote:
Behringer often gets a bad press, but the reality is, if we can now buy Pro equipment for so little it's all because of this brand!!
They make EXCELLENT mixers & studio monitor (TRUTH B2031A)


:rotflmao:

For home use they aren't a bad board. I would NEVER recommend for pro use again. Too unreliable - some get lucky, most don't which is WHY they are so cheap. Behringer rips them out with cheap components & electronics so if 1 is defective, it can be replaced cheaply. I know some people that have returned up to 5 units before getting one that worked & then that one had died within a year.
Author:  Tony [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mixer questions
Lonman wrote:
For home use they aren't a bad board. I would NEVER recommend for pro use again. Too unreliable.


Lonman, exactly how many failures have you personally experienced with Behringer?

Mikey wrote:
AllStar, is that the mixer you have? If yes, we now have the same dbx-266XL & now this!! I fully agree with you, great mixer but I don't use the Behringer reverb but the Lexicon MPX 110, do you also have this one???

Yep, and very happy! but no to the Lexicon MPX 110.
Author:  Lonman [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mixer questions
AllStar wrote:
Lonman wrote:
For home use they aren't a bad board. I would NEVER recommend for pro use again. Too unreliable.


Lonman, exactly how many failures have you personally experienced with Behringer?


I have used 6 different Behringer mixer in the past 7 years - not all mine personally but working with other companies as well. Can't remember the models of the older ones but they were the MX series. They all died or started crapping out within 6 months to a year of purchase. The last 2 models I owned (due to high praise of words here & another forum) was the MX1804 & UB2442FX-PRO. The 1804 didn't work out of the box, returned it got a new one, this one worked for 2 days. Returned it & got the 2442 - I was still under a $$ crunch so I needed something cheap - NOW. It seemed to be working fine but started losing channels 6 months after purchase. The effects went out shortly after. Now it has no effects & 4 dead channels with 2 more going. Just going to let it play till it's dead & get a Mackie. The sound will be cleaner & fuller as well.
Author:  Tony [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:37 pm ]
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You are the unluckiest person I have ever met. I myself only have praise after having 2 of the Behringers now for more then 3 years, and still going strong! I am really sorry that you've had such bad luck with their product.
Author:  Lonman [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:50 pm ]
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I'm not the only one on this board that has had problems. Matt had one that works fine except his effects died fairly quickly if I recall. It was either Jamkaraoke or Marty that had to bring one back 3 times before he found a good one. Then several people have had trouble with them at the other forum. I know dozens of people personally that have junked theirs as well. 1 of 50 people probably get lucky with them. If you are in that catagory - great. My ex- bass player works at Guitar Center here & he said the same thing. Behringer products (mostly their mixers & amps) are the MOST returned product as far as defects & unhappy customers. Which again, is why they are so cheap, nobody would pay more with that kind of quality. The one & only mixer that I saw Behringer put out was a direct rip from Mackies 24*8 recording board, unfortuneatly, it was banned here for a near perfect rip off - enough so that Mackie parts would work for replacement parts. Mackie sued & won. The board was never sold in the states again. Behringer still rips off the designs from other companies, but now they change the styling just enough to make it different.
Author:  Micky [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:52 pm ]
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Lonman, I too believe you are a very unlucky guy!!

I first started with an MX-602A, than an MX-802A & now with a UB-1622FX-Pro. All of them have been working perfectly, my latest 1622FX as been turned on night & day for about a year now! In fact, that is probably the secret, electronique should always be turned ON at all time to last longer!!

The UB series is by far superior, very smooth and excellent mic pre-amps.
Author:  Lonman [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:59 pm ]
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Micky wrote:
The UB series is by far superior, very smooth and excellent mic pre-amps.


Which is why I gave them the benefit of the doubt, they said they worked all the bugs of the MX series out. Nope!
I'll stay with my Mackies. Never had problems with ANY board I bought from them. They even replaced one I bought used (it was dropped) for free - now that was 5 years ago. You generally don't hear of shotty stuff from them - although it does happen - it's going to with any brand, just far less often.
I've only owned 3 Behringer boards personally. The other 3 that I was working with were with other companies. They have all since switched to Mackie or Allen & Heath - with no probs.
Author:  ultraming [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:39 pm ]
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Any comments on comparing these units for home karaoke use? I don't need many mic in/stereo in.

Alesis 6FX
Behringer 1204FX
Mackie DFX6

What are the pro and con for these units? I was originally decided to get the DFX6, however, I am not a professional, so I am just wondering would the others meet my needs.

If I go for the Behringer, what is the difference between these models:
1622FX
1222FX
1204FX
any key function/features missing on the 1204 or basically less input channels?

Thanks for all you guys. I am new to mixer and definitely learn a lot from you all.
Author:  Lonman [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:51 pm ]
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ultraming wrote:
Any comments on comparing these units for home karaoke use? I don't need many mic in/stereo in.

Alesis 6FX
Behringer 1204FX
Mackie DFX6

What are the pro and con for these units? I was originally decided to get the DFX6, however, I am not a professional, so I am just wondering would the others meet my needs.

If I go for the Behringer, what is the difference between these models:
1622FX
1222FX
1204FX
any key function/features missing on the 1204 or basically less input channels?

Thanks for all you guys. I am new to mixer and definitely learn a lot from you all.


Well these are all so called "Pro" mixers. The name that is more reliable & will sound cleaner is the Mackie. You already read my feeling on the Behringers while others seem to love them. The Alesis I have been told is ok, although I haven't personally used it.
The difference in the Behringer models you listed are mainly how many channels each one has.
The 1622 has 4 mic inputs & 4 stereo channels. 12 total inputs. This is the more "pro" design of the 3 & may be a little more complex for home use but also the more versatile if you plan on expanding at any time. $180
The 1222 has 6 mic inputs & 2 stereo channels OR 4 mic inputs & 4 stereo inputs for a total of 10/12 inputs depending on the configuration. $180
The 1204 has 4 mic inputs & 2 stereo inputs. 8 total inputs. $150

The Alesis has 2 mic inputs & 2 stereo inputs. 6 total inputs. $100

The Mackie has 2 mic inputs & 2 stereo inputs. 6 total. $190 This is best quality wise over all.
Author:  Tony [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:10 pm ]
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ultraming, What Lonman says makes sense, what I said makes sense, and what Micky said makes sense.

Have you ever asked your friends "What tyres would you recommend for my vehicle" or "What vehicle should I buy" or "What icecream flovour is the best"?

Read, learn and listen. Then decide for your self my friend! :wink:
Author:  ultraming [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:30 pm ]
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Thanks all.

Do I get to set echo level if using the mixer without build-in digital effect? Is these effect neccessary for karaoke?
Author:  Lonman [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:36 pm ]
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ultraming wrote:
Thanks all.

Do I get to set echo level if using the mixer without build-in digital effect? Is these effect neccessary for karaoke?


Effects are necessary if you want your vocals to sound good, otherwise it's going to sound very dry. All the mixers you listed have effects built in & will provide good results.
Author:  Jian [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:40 pm ]
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UB 1204Fx has 99 preset Fx. I used this model (not mind) never give me any problem.
Author:  marley rules [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:56 pm ]
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Sorry to chime in late but in Lonman's defense, I've had a less than a satisfactory experience with Behringer. The mixer amp that I purchased would not reproduce high frequencies, was noisy and extremely suceptible to feedback. The Behringer cabs were heavy as lead and did not sound all that great. It all was returned and I chalked it up to experience. I bought the Behringer gear for home use and after I had all these problems I thought that I should have paid mind to the on-line reviews of their gear. When it comes to this kind of gear, you really get what you pay for. Just my two cents.

Cheers
Author:  ultraming [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:09 pm ]
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Does anyone know why the Behringer 1222fx is significant weight less than the 1622fx? They are very similar and actually the 1222fx is physically bigger than the 1622fx.
Author:  Lonman [ Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:05 pm ]
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ultraming wrote:
Does anyone know why the Behringer 1222fx is significant weight less than the 1622fx? They are very similar and actually the 1222fx is physically bigger than the 1622fx.


The 1622 has more internal components to it but shouldn't add that much weight to it. Only thing I can think of is is has a sturdier chassis.
Author:  ultraming [ Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:54 pm ]
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Any differences between 1622fx and 1222fx, except the number of inputs? Feature or functions? Thanks.
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