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jamkaraoke
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:37 am |
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Joined: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:54 am Posts: 3485 Location: New Jersey , USA Been Liked: 0 time
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Finally bought an enhancer the BBE362. Hooked it up and YES it does make a nice difference.. What is the norm ... Do I EQ my sound before
I include the 362 or flat line the eq and tweak after the 362 ??
I know I'm going to need to "play with it" a few more night before I get it right What is your secret?
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Lonman
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:07 am |
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Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:57 pm Posts: 22978 Songs: 35 Images: 3 Location: Tacoma, WA Been Liked: 2126 times
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Flatline the eq first, adjust the BBE & then if any other adjustments are needed, tweak the eq. Most of the time with the BBE engaged, you won't need as much eq'ing.
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jamkaraoke
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:37 pm |
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Joined: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:54 am Posts: 3485 Location: New Jersey , USA Been Liked: 0 time
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Thanks Lon,
Now I just need to get a compressor into my system and I'll be set
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JDrifter
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:24 pm |
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Jam,
Since you also need a compressor for your system, you may want to consider the BBE Maxcom. This unit sells for $199 and includes the same sonic maximizer chip that is used in 482i and 882i. The BBE 362 is an old model but the 362i is the new model. According to BBE, the 362/362i is not as good as the 482i and the 882i. Buying the BBE Maxcom might be a better deal if you don't mind having just one sonic maximizer channel.
Just my opinion.
JD
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Lonman
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:28 pm |
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Honestly you'd be better off getting 2 separate units. Use 362 on the main mix & a compressor for the vocals. This way the entire mix, including the music, gets the benefit of the BBE & not just the vocal channels. There really is no need (at least for karaoke systems) to compress the main outputs, so the MAXX wouldn't be good for the mains, just the vocals.
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JDrifter
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:36 pm |
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I stand corrected on the BBE Maxcom. It is a dual channel compressor, each with its own sonic maximizer.
Here's a detailed description of the unit:
Quote: The BBE® MaxCom™ is a highly sophisticated Dual-Channel Compressor and Limiter with Gate, housed in a compact and easy-to-use package. It provides a live or recorded mix with all the clean, clear punch that only a truly professional dynamics controller can. However, the MaxCom is much more than a high-quality, superbly engineered compressor/limiter.
The MaxCom is the first signal processor of its kind to feature an on-board BBE Sonic Maximizer. The BBE High Definition Sound process employed by the Sonic Maximizer is world renown among music and sound professionals for remarkable improvements in total sound quality, bringing crystalline clarity and air to the source material as well as revealing rich harmonic subtleties. The MaxCom employs BBE's latest High Definition Sound technology, in the very same 4th Generation BBE Professional chipset which powers the 482i and 882i Sonic Maximizers.
The “over-engineering” in the MaxCom ensures that both its compression and gating provide versatility and excellent sonic performance in situations where other compressor/gates often produce undesirable processing artifacts. At the heart of the MaxCom is a THAT Corporation VCA known throughout the industry as the premier dynamics processing VCA.
This single-rack-space dynamics processor includes two independent full-featured compressor/limiters, each channel having independent controls for Threshold, Compression Ratio, Attack Time and Release Time. Additionally, the MaxCom’s “linking” function allows for phase-coherent tracking of stereo signals and adjustment from the Channel One controls. Comprehensive metering is achieved via dual bar-graph meters on each channel that indicate Input Level and Gain Reduction.
MaxCom’s intuitive design makes it easy to operate, and its rigorous engineering and robust construction assure clean, distortion free audio and a predictable, repeatable range of control from undetectable to clearly identifiable. Whether the goal is to pull a “lost” instrument up in the mix, control vocal levels or dial in hard-limited speaker protection, the MaxCom can accomplish the task with ease, reliability and sonic excellence. By offering a superb, full-featured compressor/limiter with an integrated BBE Sonic Maximizer system, the MaxCom has no equal at any price.
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big jimmy c
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:16 pm |
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Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2002 2:08 pm Posts: 604 Location: new jersey Been Liked: 0 time
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The 362 is a great sounding unit, I use one on my music loop only and use a 31 band eq on my mic loop.
The majority of the time I leave my pre 362 settings flat and do my adjusting with only the 2 362 knobs.
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hitwtom
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:32 am |
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I just hooked up my new 362 the other night, how do you go about setting it correctly? I couldn't find anything in the instructions on settings so I just played with it until I thought it sounded OK. One of my customers mentioned that it sounded too "trebley??" so I turned it down a little. Any suggestions on initial settings or tweeking. I have it inserted into the mains on my mixer.
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:28 am |
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Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:57 pm Posts: 22978 Songs: 35 Images: 3 Location: Tacoma, WA Been Liked: 2126 times
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hitwtom wrote: I just hooked up my new 362 the other night, how do you go about setting it correctly? I couldn't find anything in the instructions on settings so I just played with it until I thought it sounded OK. One of my customers mentioned that it sounded too "trebley??" so I turned it down a little. Any suggestions on initial settings or tweeking. I have it inserted into the mains on my mixer.
That's the best thing about the BBE, you don't need any instructions on settings. It's all in your ear. If it sounds good, there you go.
First flatten out any other eq you have first - ie multiband eq & channel eq's. Then start with the BBE with both knobs at 12:00 oclock. I always adjust the Lo Contour first to get a nice bottom end then add or subtract presence if it's too tinny or piercing. Any additinal tweaking (if any is needed) after that is done with the other eq's.
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JDrifter
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:18 am |
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Lonnie wrote:
Quote: Honestly you'd be better off getting 2 separate units. Use 362 on the main mix & a compressor for the vocals. This way the entire mix, including the music, gets the benefit of the BBE & not just the vocal channels. There really is no need (at least for karaoke systems) to compress the main outputs, so the MAXX wouldn't be good for the mains, just the vocals.
Lonnie's right about the versatility of having two separate units. I have consulted with a Carvin specialist and he said the same thing about the benefits of having separate units. Although the 362 is a great unit, I am willing to spend $80 more to get the latest sonic maximizer chip that is in 482i.
JD
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Lonman
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:50 am |
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Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:57 pm Posts: 22978 Songs: 35 Images: 3 Location: Tacoma, WA Been Liked: 2126 times
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JDrifter wrote: Although the 362 is a great unit, I am willing to spend $80 more to get the latest sonic maximizer chip that is in 482i.
JD
You really aren't going to gain any real audible benefit between the 362 & 482. The only real benefit you are going to get is having 2 true dual channels - controls for both channels instead of 1 set of controls for both channels.
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