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JazzyBaggz
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 Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:23 am |
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Ok, so I know some people are gonna throw rotten tomatoes at me  .. but I just wanted to speak my mind here... I have decided to start rating, and every song that I listen to from now on that has opened itself for rating, I will rate with my honest opinion. So lock up your sons and daughters and put your head between your knees and kiss your... no no.. i'm just kidding  I'm not mean... I'll not ever be spiteful or give you a low rating b/c i don't like the song or something like that. I intend to be fair and unbiased.. AND I have decided NOT to use the 1 - 10 rating scale... I've always thought that it is too wide of a spectrum that noone will EVER use completely. I favor the "star search" method of 5 stars... Makes more sense and leaves for less little nit picking over what constitutes each step of the scale.. I'll use from 6 - 10 which breaks down very simply
10 - perfecto! (could find no fault.. it sparkles like a new diamond)
9 - Excellente (maybe one or two slight mistakes or just lacks that certain something to make it shine)
8 - Good (a couple of mistakes like pitch, timing, timbre.. BUT still a beautiful performance!)
7 - Fair (quite a few problems, or one or two big problems that persist throughout the song.. an enjoyable listen though!)
6 - Need Work (several mistakes or enough wrong to make it not as enjoyable as it could be... The song would have to be VERY off to get this mark)
I figure most songs will fall into the 8 - 10 range with 7's happening every so often and then every once in a while the odd six. And when I do give a rating below a 9, I will always have something said which will let you know why. There's not a lot of space to write feedback, but there will at least be a mention of pitch, timing, or whatever it was. If you ever want more in depth explaination, you can pm or email me, and I will go so far as to point out specifics for you.. (as time allows me)
I actually wish this were the scale, cuz I think more people would be willing to use it than ...
I decided on this as I was seeing this weird phenomenon of "everyone gets a nine" happening on the front page..
I understand those who just like to give 10's and give them every so often when they are really blown away.. that's ok and I understand that those people just don't like to give low marks.. that's cool
what i don't understand are those people who are obviously cool with giving the lower mark.. but they give the same dang thing to everyone.. that makes no sense to me. They can't possibly have enjoyed everyone the exact same amount. All that ends up looking like, is that person or people do not want anyone to have a 10, or they think noone is a 10. That's fine with me... I believe nobodies perfect too (though, I do believe I've heard plenty of songs that were close enough to get a 10).. case in point a song that Miss Milo did not too long ago that I thought was right up there with the best of the songs on this site, but that 9 giver came along and robbed her of that. I wouldn't mind so much if she got a nine by someone who gives all kinds of ratings, and is actually using ratings in a good way... It's just this senseless throwing of nothing but 9's that is bewilderin' to me.
Now i've said it before and I'll say it again... I don't care much about ratings. I'd rather we didn't have them at all, BUT since we do have them, I don't like to see them being misused like this. So if we are going to have ratings, let's do it right. I think that is the RESPECTFUL thing to do for those who have opened themselves up to rating. It's not easy to do that, and I respect those of you who do so. That is why I will not 'cheapen' your efforts by just throwing around a number "for the hell of it"
I welcome anyone else who wants to "jump on the bandwagon" so to speak, and start not being afraid to rate in a way that makes sense.
I respect immensely those of you who do not rate, for the comments are truly what make this site worthwhile!!! and I hope you will respect those of us who have decided to rate since that is obviously a part of this site that is not going to change. I hope to see others of you who will step up and do this.. whether you use that big ol' scale or the new one I mentioned.. Have the courtesy and respect to be honest for those who have obviously asked us to do so by opening up their subs to be rated.
I hope I don't start a riot.. Maybe I should stock up on some pepper spray or taser guns?? I hope you can see I'm doing this from a positive and not a negative place, and that you will understand...
Much love to you all,
Elisha
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ritisroo
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:47 am |
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You can do whatever you like with my subs! I so respect you as a singer, and know that you have the experience to back up your rating!
Rate and comment away! Nice to learn from the experts !
Plus, I am starting my singing lessons again, so maybe there is something that you may be able to pick up that my instructer can't, and something I can work on! I appreciate any help that I can get, whenever I can get it! It will only make me a better singiner/performer in the end!
Thanks Jazzy!
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:17 am |
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I just love this topic......I know that whenever it rears it's ugly head you can alomost hear a collective groan.......this topic has given me so much insight on my fellow members because people are so vocal about this subject and have such varying views regarding what's fair and what isn't. I've learned who really wants honesty and who only wants praise. I 've learned who can take a joke and who can take critique gracefully. We have a lot of new people and I am interested in hearing their thoughts on this subject as well.
JazzyBaggz,
I like your system and I hope to benefit from your expertise. I personally don't rate people because I don't feel I'm qualified to make those judgements wilthout technical backing. You seem to have some knowledge that could help me and I welcome your honest comments and ratings. I not only welcome it I beg for it. The same goes for anyone who feels they have something to offer me. I hope other's will follow your lead and we can really start learning from each other. I know I need all the help I can get.
So bring it on!!
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JazzyBaggz
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:37 am |
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First of all, thank you to the both of you, for being so open to this, and seeing the positive aspect of it. I'm glad you like that rating system. I just feel if it was a smaller scale, it would be easier to use. I respect those who don't rate at all BUT know this.. I don't think ANY of us should discount our qualifications. I think we are all qualified to bring something to the table. Even if it is just instinctual stuff... Sure.. I do have a lot of technical training, BUT that makes me no beter or more qualified than those people who just rate and constructively comment on gut instinct. Usually the instincts are right. You may not know a technical word for what is happening, or even be able to put your finger on exactly what does or doesn't feel right to you, but you WILL hear them, because any good musician has the instincts first.. All that training does is make you have bigger ears to hear picky things, and the know how to fix it on yourself, or try to help someone else do it. Along with some fancy shmancy words . I think everyone at this site is qualified to say what they do and don't like, but I respect the fact that some just would rather not rate or comment in a constructive matter. That's fine and a personal choice.. I just wanted to clear that up before someone accuses me of thinking I'm better than anyone else. I know I'm not... We all have things to learn
Now back to my recording... hugggs
Elisha
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Sheree
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:43 am |
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I so appreciate your comments and opinions Elisha... as you know I don't get rated and I don't rate either... I just gave up on all that cause I didn't learn nuttin' hehe... and a number is just that! But I always love it when ya give me some great tips... and everything I have learned about mixing came from YOU girl!!! So feel free to say what ya want cause I know you know your shtuff!!!! :wink:
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Rob Ward
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:47 am |
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Yip I agree with this totaly
I would definitley open my rating box if i knew there was only people like jazzy to rate me,
people with so much talent like jazzy should only be allowed to give out ratings,
my rating box has been closed ever since i got here, and thats because i know theres people out there like me who havnt got a clue how to rate honestly or in a encouriging manner,
people like jazzy who have a real good ear for talent could not only rate us honestly but also give us encouriging comments to help us improve even more so,
you never ever know everything about music, music is an ongoing lesson everyday.
I have been playing the guitar for 20yrs, and i still learn new things today.
surley this must happen in all musical fields,
anyhow just my two cents worth
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wannabe
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:48 am |
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Oh I totally agree. I may not rate but I will comment if I hear something wrong. Even if I can't identify why it's wrong I can comment on what I hear. If it's a mix problem I may say that it sounds distorted or something but I have no way to explain how to fix it. If a song is out of someone's range I can hear that and suggest a different key. I do have some valuable insights and as you stated we all do regardless of our technical abilities. We all know what we like and what we don't like. I know I never got the impression that you think you are better than anyone else. It's always best to clarify up front if you are going to rate fairly then everyone knows what to expect.
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ritisroo
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:10 am |
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The only thing I always worry about rating and being honest and such is this story:
I was listening to someone's song one time (not here), and I made a comment that the words to the song were falling on the wrong beats, and it was making the song sound strange.
Well, the person who subbed the song told me I was wrong, and then three or four other people that commented after me said I was wrong, but like this "I don't care what Ritisroo says, I think it was great and the words fall just fine (or something to that extent)". It was enough for me to say, fine, never commenting on your stuff again.
I don't mind being constructive because I can tell when something is not right, whether it is my own (and I will be the first to say where I am pitcy, or off), or whether it is someone elses.
I just worry that you say something and then everyone comes and beats you up, just because you gave your honest opinion, like I stated above.
I am always petrified to say anthing constructive cause you never know how they are going to take it. Plus, saying stuff in 400 characters is not easy to do.
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NeverHeardOfHer
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:34 pm |
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Ok I don't like opening myself up to be shot at  , but I am gonna take that chance......
I go by my mother's saying..."if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"......
Why? because I do not have the expertise to give constructive criticism. I know very little about vibrato or other voice issues ( I open my mouth and it comes out....which has gotten me in a bit of trouble  ) and even less about mixing (what is reverb again?  ) so I honestly think you would not want any C.C from me. I am all about the fun. Don't get me wrong...I want to sound good....who on here doesn't? But my main goal is to have fun...be a bit daring and try not to sound Stupid!! 
I do have an opinion and it is just that!..... an opinion. We all have them and we all express them, just in different ways. You may not agree with me or my ways, but if there is one thing I have learned here......you cannot please everyone. 
I respect everyone's opinion of my singing and OP's mixing.....I have learned quite a bit from the comments I have gotten (not from the ranks)but best of all, I have made some great friends that share a common interest .
There are so many subs coming up now that I get sooo far behind. I don't have time to listen to every single one...even if I want to. My system is to listen to the songs by people who have commented on mine and then start at the top if I have extra time. I am sorry to whoever I have not listened to. I am trying, honestly.....and actually, I could be commenting now....so gonna go!!
I have said it before...I'll say it again....I love this place! 
PEACE *waving white flag* 
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ritisroo wrote: <snip> Plus, saying stuff in 400 characters is not easy to do.
1. I don't generally rate unless I'm overwhelmed. I didn't used to rate at all because I'm not very good at differentiating good from very good from excellent from Holy Singing Batman! Hold the presses! Fire the bimbos on our label and put this person to press NOW!
2. I let people rate me if they wish. Some people like assigning a 'mark' to a performance. I read the comments and try to listen to what's unsaid. Occasionally I'll get a constructive remark and I listen to what they have to say carefully. Sometimes I think they're full of it but 90% of the time (or more) they're dead on and I look to improve on that aspect of my performance.
Ritisroo, I think 400 characters is plenty of space to critique someone - however it's VERY limiting if you want to offer advice/critisism/critique tactfully. 'Great job' fits easily. But the 'Great job overall but in the second stanza where you tried for that high 'R' you totally blew it and with my speaker turned up really loud you broke all my china and then that attempt at a low 'Z' turned out to be the brown noise - expect a bill for china and pants' doesn't fit so well. (This is only funny if you're a southpark fan). I've found that careful selection of words, creative abbreviations, and cutting spaces between sentences or after commas can let me squeeze in an extra needed word or two.
As for the 'You're wrong' by the lower posters... you were. No, I just said that to get your goat. They were wrong and out of sorts. They are there to critique the performance - NOT your comments. If you're not familiar with the original material or the song in general it's hard to determine tempo/timing properly (for many people). What may sound fine to one person is completely off to someone else who has more experience with the song/artist/genre. Don't let it get to you.
I welcome any and all comments to my subs. Before this recent rash of comments I was thinking of putting up a song sung horribly off key, off tempo, off pitch, and wrong words and dare anyone to give me a 10.
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I wouldn't have given you a 10, but I would have tried to find the good in it somewhere and not rank.... if it was SSSSOOOOOO bad , I would have not done anything. Like I said, everyone may not agree with me...I am OK with that!
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:08 pm |
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karaokemeister wrote:
As for the 'You're wrong' by the lower posters... you were. No, I just said that to get your goat.
! I did not read that right the first time, and almost had the claws out to come and get you !
Thanks for your advice.
And, I understand about the 400 words...sometimes It just does not seem like enough tho.
I just know that I am not perfect, and always welcome comments to improve myself
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This AGAIN...aaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh..please just let it go away  hehe
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Neverheardofher, I tend to be very much like you. I will try to always see the good parts of a sub and if I hear anything a little off-key or just not right, I'll tend to ignore it. Why? Cuz we're all amateurs!
It's great that there are those who have some training to be able to help out when necessary. I have benefited from advice from well-meaning people. I have also encountered those that I didn't think were being very constructive, but fortunately, those were few and far in-between.
If you really know what you're talking about, and can do it with respect and courtesy, then more power to you. I happen to value your opinion, Elisha and do think you're qualified.
I, for one, do not want to be ranked anymore. I much prefer comments, I've found. I think rankings will continue to be a controversial issue and I just don't want to have any bad feelings in this great experience we call the Singer's Showcase!
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Jeeez , it's gotten sooo slooooww ,I don't see how any of us can get on to listen , rank , comment ,or reply..much less post!
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Good thread goin' here. We actually seem to have some postive speak about the ranking process.
Jazz - your ranking system seems to fit with the practice around here (though '10 feasts' will happen from time to time).
Never and Luly - I agree. So much to enjoy on this site. If you like the numbers game... have fun with that element! If it just distracts you from what you love best... then don't go there.
I am analytical in nature and the number, as much of the comment, gives me a better idea of how I'm really doing. I value EVERY opinion (verbal or numerical) --- & not just those from the 'singing elite' people.
I tend not to ask for a rank on a song that people might feel compelled to rank 'better than its true merit' - like a dedication. Also, I too have done 'just for fun' stuff - where my 'best effort' was far from 'worthy'!
In the end, an individual song's rank is really only meaningful relative to ranks on other subs. If my SS family likes one song better than the others (by number or comment), that helps me figure out alot about my voice and my song selection.
But ultimately... I agree with "The Dog".
KJ Denndogg wrote: This AGAIN...aaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh..please just let it go away hehe
Rank or Don't... I'm still gonna listen and comment to your subs, for a completely selfish reason... I LOVE IT!!!!
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Now you all know why I don't know the TV Tunes theme for this week We should get our own little jingle here, it's like watching Dallas How about asking BBQ to write us a Singers Showcase jingle?!?!?!
OK, So I'm addicted to this bloody site! Phil, I blame you and all the other members for giving me a good laugh EVERYDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I didn't know AllStar was a Dallas fan! DANGER....Drama queen's amoung us!!!
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:48 pm |
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Seems like we are trying ot make rocket science out of cave drawings here... no matter what scale you use, you will get a different interpretation of that scale by each individual, and you can't always factor in how that person felt THAT day at THE moment they heard YOUR sub... kinda like herding cats- can't be done... I always keep a bowl of salt to take every time I read any responses because, when all is said and done and at the end of the day, that is how much power I give them... and to avoid letting anyone get my goat (as mentioned earlier), I always keep my goat in the bedroom where it is supposed to be- get your own... as long as rating is allowed it is going to be a crap shoot on what the score will be... I used to use ratings to point me in the direction of which awesome subs to listen to first, but realized my first day on the site that the ratings were in no way a true indicator of what I was about to hear... ratings seem kinda silly to me but to each his own... keep on singing- tig
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Old Paint wrote: I didn't know AllStar was a Dallas fan! DANGER....Drama queen's amoung us!!! OP, I'll get you for that cold low blow, even if it takes me a 100 years
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