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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:31 pm 
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hi, i have the audio2k akj7150 hooked up to my receiver. the music is great but for some reason i can't adjust the vocal to sound right. in 'right' i mean my voice doesn't sound clear and the echo is either to little or when i adjust higher the echo is too much.

on the mixer i have mic treble about 1/4 and mic bass about 2/5. the main echo i have turned on 2/5 and the echo delay is turned 1/4 and echo repeat a little more than 1/4.

i am not sure if i should adjust the delay or repeat up/down. driving me crazy gettin off the couch adjusting back and forth.

should i get a mic effector to improve the sound.

also, i was thinking of getting the vocopro clg-600 dual channel compressor/limiter with gate to control the music and mic volume.

thanks for all the help i can get.


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Unfortunately - All of the Karaoke Mixers in that category, Audio 2000, Vocopro, Pioneer, Pro 2 , etc., have a very "Common Echo" to service the general public.

You my friend have a special ear, in which you'll need a special effector - I recommend an Alesis Microverb 4, I've been using one for years and wouldn't be caught without it. Believe me, it will give you the sound you want.


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Hey man, I been usin' the akj7000 since 2000.

I looped a DBX 231 31 band equalizer into the mic loop. It cost me 199.00 but it made a huge difference in sound.

I keep the echo adjustments dead center, And rarely use any echo.

On the mic adjustments ,Keep the bass at 40 percent and the treble at 60 percent for the best sound depending on the quality of your mics.

**Note: Make sure that the "Loud" button is off, That stupid function will totally mess up your sound.


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thanks for the awesome replys sammy and big jimmy c

do you know where i can find the alesis microverb 4? this unit will enhance my mic sound correct? i've never heard of alesis, what other models effectors do you also recommend just incase i can't get my hands on the alesis.

also have you or any of the other fellow karaoke scene(rs) experienced the vocopro compressor/limiter.

i was planning to get a audio2k 16 band eq, but then the thought of having to adjust the eq and the mixer made me through out that idea.

so jimmy you are telling me to leave the main echo knob dead center or the turn the main echo to '0' and turn the echo delay/repeat to center.

in both your expert opinions am i better off gettin the effector or the eq given that both are about $200 add-ons to my current setup.

thanks a bundle.


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big jimmy c

i just fainted looking at the dbx equalizer.
that eq should be banned from earth :shock:


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one last question.
how do i go about adding the alesis to my akj7150?
do i just hook up the alesis into the sound effector inputs in the back of the akj7150?
i also have a pair of wireless pro.2 vhf 795v mics.
thanks.


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darn it jimmy, you got me going crazy now.
i checked out the specs for the dbx at their website.
i learned that the eq is also a limiter, so does that mean that it will function as an eq and automatically adjust the music and sound vocal so that the output level is consistent no matter what audio track is played?
is there any other goody that this baby has?
if it is an eq and auto adjusts my vocal and music volume output i'm sold.
(pulling hair out while waiting for reply)


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Steve:

I use the powered version of that mixer at home and initially experienced the same. Kind folks here on the board advised me to leave the echo delay and repeat controls at dead center at thier default location. Once there, just adjust the overall effect level and the bass and trebble controls if need be. That should improve your mic sound while you decide what hardware to put in the effects loop.


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Icantgetnosleep, I keep the main echo knob at zero and the repeat/delay dead center. I only use the echo for bad singers or ozzy osborne tunes etc.

There should be two rca plugs connected by a silver pin, It should read "Mic Effector" Pull the pin and run a wire to your processor input and one back from your processor output.

The DBX is pretty easy to use if you understand EQ's. The left third of the board is bass, The middle third is midrange/voice, And the right third is treble. It works real well on feedback issues by lowering the even numbered treble sliders slightly 2k,4k,6k etc.

I'm deaf in one ear so I usually need signal level lights to help me mix well. I keep the Akj master volume at 60 percent and never move it, I keep the master mic volume at 40 percent and never move it.

The DBX has 4 red signal lights. I know that if 1 - 2 of them are lighting up while someone is singing I have it right. If more or less than 1 to 2 lights are lighting up I adjust the EQ gain knob on the DBX unit.

I have a mixing board for the music signal from my JVC player. It has LED Signal lights. If 2 - 3 of those signal lights are lit for the music I have it right. If not I adjust the channel slider on the board.
Using this method I get a consistent mix for all singers and music.

The DBX does not work as a compressor.


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The dbx 231 is just a nice & basic eq - no bells or whistles but does sound nice, it does not have a limiter built in it.
You had to have been looking at the dbx 2231 which DOES have a limiter built in & this will aid in speaker protection keep dangereous peaks from popping your drivers. But it also runs about $500. The 231 w/o the limiter runs about $200. The 2231 is also 4 rack spaces, because it uses long throw sliders, the 231 is only 2 rack spaces, has short throw sliders, not as accurate, but for karaoke you don't need THAT kind of accuracy that you would use for band PA's or studio work although the limiter feature is a nice touch.

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i went to my local guitar center to check out some options to improve my sound. they do not carry the alesis anymore but do have a lexicon for the same price. i was also recommended to get a mic pre-amp just to improve my vocal sound only.

but the main question i have is, how do i go about hooking up the alesis microverb 4 to my akj7150. i notice the the alesis only has headphone type jacks. also on the back of the alesis, there is a left and right input (presumably for my mic) but my mic receiver only has one headphone jack output. furthermore, the output has a left and right. i'm just confused on how to hook up the alesis, thanks for the input.


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You can either -


A. Plug your microphone into your effector and plug your effector into your mixer, so you'll need a 1/4 to 1/4 patch cord

or

B. In the back of your 7150 there is a microphone effects loop connection in the back, so you'll need to get 2 patch cords 1/4 male to RCA. From the back of the amp, the RCA that says "Send" or "Out", that's going to go into the "In" side of your effector and the "Out " of the effector is going to go to the "In" of the effector loop.


Your effects generator should have a volume control on it so you shouldn't need a pre-amp

I run an EQ on my microphones too but since you're just getting started, don't get too complicated. Take you're time and learn what you and your equipment can or can't do.


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