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Author:  jamkaraoke [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:28 am ]
Post subject:  Powered Mixer and Speakers
The question is : CAN YOU HOST A QUALITY SOUNDING KARAOKE SHOW with just a Powered Mixer , 2 quality 15" speakers and some quality microphones?

This is for a typical "medium sized" indoor Bar type Gig.!!!

Personally I've done so in the past and still do every Saturday. I'm thinkning about going entirely to a powered mixer set up ( box or table top?) for ALL my gigs both Bar and Private Party's etc-

Many of the powered mixers now have larger power ratings and built in compression on the channels plus eq' and effects and main and monitor settings?
Author:  mckyj57 [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
I would say yes -- if the powered mixer is Yamaha with the in-channel compression.

I personally don't like to host a karaoke show without compression, and most of the powered mixers don't have it. The Yamahas do.
Author:  karyoker [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
Several of my KJ friends have run Mackie 808's for years. I think Babs uses one. With the right speakers powered mixers are a work horse. I prefer powered speakers but it is a matter of preference.
Author:  Bill H. [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:12 am ]
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I would say it all depends.

I couldn't at my home room. But I could easily at this other quieter room that I've been hosting a few times a month.

From my somewhat limited experience at this I think that it's age group, not dominant music style or room size, that determines how much power you need and whether or not you need subs. Over 40... they're fine without. I've actually been doing my quiet room with just Bose 802s. But recently I have been bringing a small 15" sub... not for them, but because it was sounding too anemic to me personally.

But I wouldn't use a box mixer for karaoke for ergonomic reasons. Knobs instead of faders, having to duck down to see where things are set... it would get old real fast. Go for a tabletop.
Author:  Karen K [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:45 am ]
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Powered mixers have a use but it is limited. Like someone said above, I wouldn't use it for my current rooms, but I have used one very successfully for things like performance workshops, where volume isn't the goal. I do, however, as most know, use powered Mackie SM350s and 450s and a powered sub - I'd never go back to passive speakers.

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Author:  Lonman [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
I think they can provide adequate sound in smaller rooms provided they don't have to be really pumped volume wise. Most powered mixers can't even provide the power needed for most 8 ohm speakers. I wouldn't be able to use one alone in my room for sure.
Author:  diafel [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:07 am ]
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IOf course you can! I run a box type setup with a full EQ and effects all built it. It sounds great and I have had zero complaints.
Just be sure to get a higher rated output wattage in case you want to do larger rooms.
Author:  Lonman [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:23 am ]
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I guess it's really comes down to perception of what one personally feel sounds good/great.
Author:  Babs [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
I use a mackie 808M. It has built in compressor.

http://www.mackie.com/products/808m/index.html

I originally went this way for portability.

It works great for the small bar I am in 3 nights a week. I do admit I wish I had a seperate mixer at times with sliders and more control over eq. They do make powered mixers with sliders, but I'm not sure they would have enough power.

For a medium to small bar a powered mixer like mine is all you really need. I get compliments on having a great sound system all the time, so I don't think that is an issue.
Author:  jamkaraoke [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
Mackie looks like it is releasing 2 new powered mixers - the bigger one has dual 800watt amps ...!!!!! The other dual 500w both with built in compressors and effects etc. They are not CHEAP but they are Mackie.

I admit not having "sliders" is a pain - my Saturday gig where I use the BOX powered mixer sits HIGH on a shelf and therefore not a problem to adjust anything.
I can understand how a box type mixer on a table can be a hassle to adjust settings.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=482830
Author:  karyoker [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
one thing about it Jam you can resell any time and get almost the original price. Mackie and JBL What I like about Mackie is their tech support. I think they are up in Lonnies' area. Those new ones will kick (@$%&#!)!!
Author:  Lonman [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
http://www.mackie.com/products/ppm1012/


Nice looking board as well. Curious to know if that 800 watts per channel is a 2 ohm rating. If so the 8 ohm rating will still be around 300 watt per channel. Looks to be based off the CFX model. Lots of similar features. Dual effects engine - very nice to be able to add a reverb AND a delay without the aid of 2 separate externals. Main & monitor controls - with an eq for each (9 band only mostly for tonal shaping not really feedback control). Built in amp limiters - not on the individual channels though, but each mic channel does still have inserts to add compression. Still has all normal line outs for hooking into external PA systems as well. This one is pretty nice.
Author:  mckyj57 [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
That Mackie PPM1012 looks like the nuts! It would certainly handle most small/medium size gigs, and it has all the features one would need. It is one of the few powered mixers I would favor over my Behringer PMH3000. Of course it costs twice as much, but in this case I would say you get what you pay for.
Author:  neighhoma [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:53 pm ]
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I'm looking currently for a system for my house. I wonder if this will be a one stop solution. Add some speakers, and I'm all set? What you guys think? :)
Author:  Lonman [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
neighhoma @ Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:53 pm wrote:
I'm looking currently for a system for my house. I wonder if this will be a one stop solution. Add some speakers, and I'm all set? What you guys think? :)


You definitely wouldn't need much more - other than mics & your player source. It would also handle outdoor events nicely. Just make sure to match up the speakers properly.
It's not actually even available at this time, just coming soon.
Author:  LondonLive [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
A good powered mixer will do just fine in small to medium sized venues in a Karaoke situation. When I say good, that means something along the line of a Yamaha EMX5000-12, EMX512 or perhaps a Mackie 808, something that can push 400 to 500 watts per side @ 4 ohms. Got to be carefull with the Mackie specs, they rate everything @ 2 ohms 99.9% of the time. Hooked up to a couple of effecient quality speakers you would be able to do a fine job. I favor the EMX5000-12 (not a current model) just because of the way it's laid out and extra features it offers. If thats not enough, I can unleash my 4,800 watts of Yorkies, they are always looking for a little exercise. :lol:
Author:  jamkaraoke [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
The spec on the larger Mackie is

2 x 800 watts Peak at 4 OHMS - SO this would be close to 2 x 400w at 8ohms ?

That's some decent power !?
Author:  Jian [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
jamkaraoke @ 26th June 2008, 8:38 pm wrote:
The spec on the larger Mackie is

2 x 800 watts Peak at 4 OHMS - SO this would be close to 2 x 400w at 8ohms ?

That's some decent power !?


Note: It is peak power
Author:  LondonLive [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
mckyj57 @ Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:32 pm wrote:
That Mackie PPM1012 looks like the nuts! It would certainly handle most small/medium size gigs, and it has all the features one would need. It is one of the few powered mixers I would favor over my Behringer PMH3000. Of course it costs twice as much, but in this case I would say you get what you pay for.


If the PPM1012 is the nuts, what might this be then?
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Multime ... _video.htm

The 5016CF has been out for several years. Looks to me like somebody is trying to copy somebody else here, but if you compare features you'll find they came up a little short. I got a quote from one of my favorite music stores a couple years ago and if I remember right they would do it shipped for 750.00
Author:  mckyj57 [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Powered Mixer and Speakers
LondonLive @ Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:47 am wrote:
mckyj57 @ Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:32 pm wrote:
That Mackie PPM1012 looks like the nuts! It would certainly handle most small/medium size gigs, and it has all the features one would need. It is one of the few powered mixers I would favor over my Behringer PMH3000. Of course it costs twice as much, but in this case I would say you get what you pay for.


If the PPM1012 is the nuts, what might this be then?
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Multime ... _video.htm

It's a pair of big brass ones, obviously!

I didn't know it had that many features, but if you noted my first post, I said I thought you could put a good show on if it was a Yamaha. And now that I know the 800w is into 2 ohms, I know that the 500w/4 ohms of the 5016 is comparable.
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