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This is more of a question, but I think I have a clue thanks to the help of a few.  

 Some of us have softer more heady talking voices,  "mellow", but lacking depth, and resonance.. I'm sure more the the ladies here can identify with this.. Having a VERY soft voice, hence needing to transcend that, or "belt" out've it to sing with presence and resonance...


 This voice thing... I never did like the sound of it, but it seems that MANY that can sing DO NOT have, or need to have a spectacular talking voice.. There's a trick to this..  I think in MY particular case, I need to "Get a voice".. Question is, do you go for the Depth, or barry white LOWS ?  Do you belt til you get gravel, and edge and a sore throat ?   Do you yell when you sing ?  OR,  do you yell or holler from the "GUT" ?    

Here's what's interesting.   HOW many who've heard a persons talking voice in Singers Showcase,  would know be the "singing" itself the person singing the song ? Singer timbre is different than talking timbre.. Seems we need to find a voice within.. So far starters where do you begin to belt ?  and adding what deliberately ?  Terms such as "soul" seem ambiguous,  meaning, yeah. we can add soul, emotion but physically what are we doing to get the sounds ?  more gut ?  more energy ?

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Kappy this is an addition to my post in the critique thread. When I was young i only had one or 2 styles something that emulated Hank Williams and Elvis Presley.  With karaoke I was able to sing many genres and styles both male and female. There were a few songs like Cry that I sang and sang until I could nail it. Another was Boogie Woogie Bugle Boys.. At first I clobbered them. But as I sang more and more genres(over 1000 songs at lest once) my emulation turned into my style and no longer emulate any artist

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This applies here more than you think..

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Kappy I am one who rates my speaking voice as far superior to my singing voice. I am a firm believer you can indeed change how you sound simply by training first the ear then the voice. For me when I speak (especially behind a mic) my voice resonates from deep in my chest.
My personal opinion of men speaking is a depth of tone is always easy on the ear. As to singing its a personal opinion. Whatever you do play to your strengths...While I love low resonant male voices (I find them sexy) one of the best singers on SS has a light voice and I simply adore it his name is Dofa...go check him out.

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Vicki,


    Just listened to Joe for the first time.  My feelings are Joe is capable of singing with both depth and resonance AS WELL as doing the "soft cocktail mellow-style", he's a spectacular singer.  This is a man that tastefully KNOWS what can work where.. Listen to "In the Ghetto";  He has depth and resonance as well.. He just knows when and where "soft" can work, and has the versatility to do BOTH well, his voice is missing no depth, or resonance when he wishes to apply it,  he sounds quite professional and knows how to utilize his voice to do MANY things.

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hey Kappy- What you're talking about is the difference between someone who has no range like Diana Krall- or Barry white- who learned to milk the range they DO have for everything it's worth. It's not about how LOW they are- it's more about the quality of the tone. What Vik said about her voice resonating from deep in her chest is a key point- but might be hard for a beginner to understand. My voice teacher made an analogy once where she had us all giggle/laugh in our throats only....then she made us do a belly laugh where you have to tighten your stomach to support the note. THIS is the beginning or resonance. The other contributing factor is round tones on the vowels. One of the reasons Vik has such a wonderful speaking voice is her diction naturally makes use of round tones- american accents tend to close up the vowels and focus on the consonants. When this learned behavior is translated into singing- it not only feels weird for the singer to DO correctly- it also sounds weird when they listen to the recording if it. This is another of those things that's hard to explain in writing but I'm gonna try.
In america a long "a" is said as what sounds like "Ayy" ( as in Yay!) The english would say a long "A" to sound like "Eh" as is "dell"

a long "E" here is like the word eel ( tight)  where a round vowel "E" sounds more like "Ih" as in the word sit- but concentratng on the "ih" sound. Is this making any sense?

Singing your vowels would sound like Eh, Ih, Ah, Oh, Ooo( the last is like in the word to or you)....Opera singers use this when they sing. It opens up your tone and to most people  hearing singing done  on the open vowels is a much more pleasant listening experience. Michael McDonald is a singer who carries this to the extreme. he just leaves off the consonant at the end if many of his words.

I may have just confused you more- but I sweat i was trying to help///as i said- it's hard to get something that is a "sound" medium across in a "visual" medium like writing. Hope it does more good than damage.  :whistle:

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Long "AY" or A as opposed to soft A (eh) is a formed vowel sound that requires MORE muscular work, and must be formed in lower areas of the throat, whereby "Eh" can be pushed just from the sinuses alone.  It makes sense why this would be... Same reason horn players need to focus on tighter embuchure... Projection and formed vs lazy vowel sounds..

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that soundsd about right!

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Some have "The knack" to be able to impersonate..  Take the best comedians doing parody..  Some can just make the transition and become the person.  Some in here seem to be able to at least :touch: the timbre of those they are singing and hit some of the original singers nuances. Not sure if this is more of a knack, or learned skill..  In INSTRUMENTAL music for me it became a skill that required initial training, and only following training, in time ease in emulation through familiarity (assimilation).  When I studied acting although I learned technique,  it was tougher for me to "make the transition physically into the person I'm doing" and I'm pretty decent at learning styles.  I can't transform my body (in this case vocal chords) to become the person.. MOST that do this on the amateur level ARE naturals. It's nothing I like to accept considering I play 12 instruments and can speak several languages, can hear a song, sit down and play it in minutes, and write it out.  I just can't use my facial features, or voice to become the person..

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