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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

They weren't a hot item 2 years ago... Make 2007 the holiday where you give them "fluff" !!

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Half off of what?  

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1/2 off pitch, song meter, dynamics, and mental facilities, but basically HAVING A CLUE  :worship:  :worship:

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Ya know dude, this thread was in poor taste.  You want blunt, that is about as blunt as I can get.

I am guilty of tastelessness from time to time, but I think you got me beat buddy

I can understand where you are coming from though.

But why poke fun at those who get into ranking and such?



Ya know this reminds me of something.
I used to throw darts down at this pub.  They had Karaoke several times a week.
There was this man who used to ride his bicycle there every Saturday just to come and sing his songs.  He wasn't that good, but everyone enjoyed him always being there.  He always had a black leather jacket on,  dyed his hair jet black and kept it greased back.  I really think he thought he was Elvis, and he always did the same two songs...One day he just stopped coming.  No one really knew why, but I suspect it was because of the group of rowdys that started showing up and poking fun at him...  moral of the story...Let people have their fun.

Now I am not saying that everyone who likes the ranking system is a retard or anything of the sorts. I just say, let people have their fun.

Heck I don't care about rank either.  I am 9.8 and should be around a 6 or 7 at best.

But last time I looked, I wasn't planning on cutting a record any time soon with the stuff I sub. I like to keep myself challenged, otherwise I get board.  So I sing as far over my head as humanly possible without breaking all the crystal in the house.

I even created an alias account to go in and give myself a 0 on every sub to bring the rank down...

The Lords shouldn't abuse the Vassals though, it makes for a discontent Kingdom....

Pretty soon, there is a rebellion, bloodshed, and all that is left is a revenged, desolate wasteland

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Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Knowledge is limited.

Imagination encircles the world...

I think you misunderstood Kappy's dig there Murl; he's not poking fun at those who like to be ranked, rather he's mocking the whole ranking system at SS.  Face it, it's a travesty plain and simple.

Personally I don't get into the ranking thing, never have.  I'm here to share my love of music with those of like mind.  Making friends is a wonderful consequence of doing one of the things I love most  :hug:

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Yep, I have to agree..."fluff" is very popular on SS, but guess what??? We just love giving and receiving fluff....        Maybe we don't get enough of it in our own personal lives, and at work praise is often so scarce!   Love the piccie Kappy  :hi5:

I can be even MORE blunt !



Right,  Fun as defined by whom ? and fun at the exclusion of some of us !
This is what's happened in the Showcase, It's become exclusive, not inclusive !
Many that are "into rank", are having fun by hoarding high scores, which is fine BUT, this is what also is going on !

Many have been dishonest behind one-anothers backs, playing politics and getting into pack mentality while NOT allowing those that wish to participate in honest Critique and don't NEED to be 9-10's in the Critique category and rank areas to coexist. Invariably our presence becomes "negative", "haughty" and we are "cruel" so somebody feels they must jump into our interaction playing "apologist" in a following comment.  MANY act like an "8" or those interacting in the showcase using reciprocative honesty (just alongside the current system) is the introduction of the plague, or "The ugly duckling entering the palace of perfection."  
Ironically, Those that get so hung up on framing their HIGH rank scores, (meaning those that have been the first to tell those of us that wish to exchange more level feedback that "We are too intense"), are not even capable of seeing that *THEY* have lost site that it's about "fun" and "Just Karaoke" as soon as somebody gives them a terribly low score (oh, perhaps a 9 ??), in that case intensity and rage is suddenly founded because ? What am I not understanding about this ?? however, for those that wish to get something more realistic out've the showcase, NAH... It's US that are too intense, EVEN though our perspective is realistic, and that's how we get OUR needs met, we are "wrong" to be the way we are. Meanwhile individuals are brawling that "They can't hang onto their well deserved 9.7?) COME ON DUDE !..All along while those that wish to be partially to very dishonest (using guise of white lie, or I don't have the heart) are exchanging Simonesque Critiques, and comments behind the backs of those they are lying to, or on lesser occasions (but still too frequently), TOTALLY exploiting the critique category by ONLY resorting to some type of honesty when things culminate to "C" as in Camouflaged bashing) and truly making Critique appear negative in doing-so.

Assuming those in the showcase ALLOWED some the intensity OR realness of wishing to be a PROUD earned and honest "6" assuming we even cared about rank (which we don't, and yes, I mean among some of you in the showcase with amazing talent we believe we ONLY should be a 6 and WOULD be proud to earn that high a score) the oppt to help one-another and tell each other "we need work on parts of a song" while being *allowed* to hear "That really isn't too good" *which is what some of us need, and want*..( nothing more than the ability to coexist in a live and let live environment) by some of you not jumping into sub'd material where the person wants a true "C" and the person offering it wishes to offer a true C- hence yes YOU folks given the current limited setup of SS are the ones impinging "Polyannaland" upon realists and oh yeah... Did I mention EVEN allowing us to give one-another the OPTION assuming it's wanted of a WELL deserved 4-8 rank which realistically is what MANY would prefer to see JUST applied to us, but no, God forbid ANYONE gets a 6, or even an 8 the lower BUT deserved and earned rank (which we can GROW from) is attacked as some contagious disease that entered your Quarantined Bubble.

You think I'm poking fun of a fantasy situation ? Well consider it a "Parody" because what you consider as "sore thumb" has only been those wishing to coexist (with a degree of honest interrelating-which you always have had the oppt to ignore) but instead, we are "too intense" and WRONG. How about the intensity and fallout that ensues throughout the KS boards, and site when one of those trying to frame their well deserved "10" after 100 submitted songs is bombed with a "9" while claiming "I really do wish for honesty" ?  That's proper behaviour ?  Which do you find more noxious,  me saying this in here ?   or those that fluff individuals giving them high ranks (knowing high score begets high score- or backscratching session) those quite capable of being OVERTLY honest behind one-anothers backs, yet telling those that wish for honesty, we are losing site of "What it's all about" !

All along saying "But it's just Karaoke,  we don't wish for serious interaction"..

How about this... You've impinged your ways on those of us that wish to become singers, and need open interaction, not vice-versa !  You can have fantasyland, but where are people that wish to get help and develop as singers, or, those that don't CARE what you folks do, (understand your needs, but WISH for a space of our own in the showcase) allowed to coexist ?   If we could exist alongside of you doing your thing, while doing OUR own thing, we wouldn't need to feel that dishonest interaction makes showcase the LAST place anyone can post hence we post on OTHER sites instead because of your babyishness falling out all over the site..(look at it this way, realistically, if we want honesty, and interaction, and wish for help, WHERE can we sub here ?, where can someone that needs Critique as Critique have it in here currently without disrupting the nursury school "gold star" mentality ? You folks don't like "real Critique" ?  You don't have to read it, NOR do you have to drive it out've the showcase, but you do... "any aspect of real" or those stating honest needs have lost out, and been driven from the showcase and told in essence "Go to music school if you want to sing").. Well, where in the definition of "Karaoke", does the term preclude "Wanting to really learn to sing well, and doing what it really takes to earn a proud 7 rank" ??  I'd really like to know why Karaoke must exclude "aspiring singers" who really wish to become as good as some in the Showcase are, and realize that we need help.. AND,  would feel MUCH better knowing people were at least allowed to give us the "5" up-front, and tell us,  that song doesn't work for you... while knowing we are correct assuming we say that, and even agreeing with us, however refusing to allow such interaction to exist in the Showcase ?

It's wrong for an individual to fluff a person *who wants HONESTY* but instead giving the person a "9" for the selfish desire to preserve their own high rank average, (while going behind the persons back saying, he blows)and doing that while castigating those of us that don't care if some of you folks wish to do that, but we just wish for the right to coexist and grow as singers giving one another helpful advice and a wanted TRUE score.  Honesty loses out.

My T-shirt is biting humor, but it's accurate !

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

I'm out of breath just silently reading this Kappy!!!  :shock:   However, you are absolutely right.  It's too bad people can't get honest feedback without taking it too personally. There does appear to be many "cliques" here who constantly rank each other high in spite of issues with phrasing, timing and key.   Having said that, I don't rank people who ask for critique, and if I don't like the recording I don't even comment! I mainly listen to enjoy the many talents here on the Showcase, and I don't think I'm anywhere near qualified to give constructive criticism. Besides none of us are getting paid for what we submit here.....  LOL

No No,  It's not about "Taking it too personally", it's about those of us that have tried, and proven that the process CAN work, that don't take it personally at all (IE... Folks such as Jian, Lonnie, Seby, myself and a few others that really HAVE helped one-another), not being accepted in the showcase because seeing us interacting "goes against the flow"..

We've been alienated by those that find our helping one-another to become better singers "Too intense" for the fun environment... Yet realistically it's a controlled and rigid environment that's expecting the rest to conform to fantasyland.  Singers Showcase has written it's own definition of the ranking systems 1-10..  8-10+++++
It has also rather than looked up, and read the definition of critique.. expected the world conform to it's designed definition (throw flowers only and tell one-another how fabulous they are)... NOW again, these are many of the same individuals that chronically complain how banal, and Politically Correct the world has become..

Singers Showcase is a fantasyland, that doesn't want those of us wishing to learn to sing to coexist because we are too intense..  We must instead "Play along" or go elsewhere..  It's babyish !

Point being, Singers showcase has become an insult to those of us that respect Aesthetics and know working in an artistic realm isn't a cheap easy game. Those of us that know what it takes to become a decent singer, (which involves people helping other people to improve !) but what's worse, is there is SO much great talent within the showcase many in there that don't allow us to honestly help one-another realize *they* ONLY got good at singing because OTHERS helped them by telling them what they were doing wrong at some point !  MANY aren't enabling those of us that wish to become 1/4 the singer they are the chance to earn our own wings.. Honest interaction isn't wanted in the showcase.

There's a problem NOT within the dishonesty that exists alone.. That's fine within itself for those that get a need met by it,  but the problem is when "unreal" pushes out "real" for it's own selfish reasons. Within the showcase dishonesty (fantasy) is offended by honesty expecting conformity that impedes those that wish for honest interaction from getting their needs met.. It reminds me of 4 year olds playing "We want to be the boss"..  Why the need to control the showcase at the exclusion of those of us that wish for open and honest interaction calling it "Negative" ?  Because it threatens you how ?  You can't hang onto your trophy that you never earned, it was a give-away item ?  Are these really adults ? Why is it wrong for people to wish to learn to sing in the Showcase along side you ?  Who does that really hurt ?  How does that contradict the definition of Karaoke ?  What am I not understanding ? It's wrong to take singing seriously using Karaoke as a decent backup band to display decent singing?  Give out 10's like penny halloween candy, what's the fun of a 10 ?  I just don't understand why singers can't learn to sing in "the land of make believe"

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Yes, point taken... SS is not what I had hoped it was going to be either, but it is what it is...and I don't think it is all that bad...in fact...I kinda like it...

Stephen, I can see where you are coming from.  You have been in the musical industry all your life.    The bar is a lot higher in your realm dude...

I don't know if it would even be possible to bring the ranking system in SS on par with Dancing with the Stars or American Idol though...

But for all I know,  you were making fun of me personally, since I was also trying to contribute to SS and be a part of the SS community, I felt I had to defend it somewhat.... because I have met some very nice people over there...You have not commented on any of my subs.  So how am I to know if I am not the one who you thought had the timbre of a basset hound    What goes unspoken, is often louder than what is...So making generalizations can be misunderstood sometimes...especially in an environment where you are already exposed and feel vulnerable to start off with.

As far as your T-shirt...If you were mocking the ranking system and those who abuse it, and not the community of SS as a whole.. then I took it wrong and I apologize...

Evidently,  last year there were alot of fireworks around here... Oh darn I missed the show

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Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Knowledge is limited.

Imagination encircles the world...

I wasn't mocking you or any one individual personally.  I was mocking a current state of a system containing an AMAZINGLY high percentage of brilliant singers but also immature mentality that has allowed SS to become a very limited system that can't be used as it was actually designed to be used. The fault isn't Singers SHowcase, it's those that don't wish to allow the broad spectrum of interaction that CAN take place, to happen. Realistically, SIngers SHowcase does have something ALL of us can utilize. It has comments for those that wish to keep it light, it offers Just listen for those that just wish to contribute, but it also has a category designed for artists to help other artists, and it's forbidden to use it.  I was mocking what ADULTS have allowed Singers Showcase to become because I DO respect the amazingly high percentage of professional ability singer/musicians, many who will tell you themselves "Singers Showcase is NOT the open and honest interaction THEY COULD handle".

WHO can possibly tell you, "Out've over 50 sub'd songs, I *AM* a genuine "10" rank singer" ?  NOONE can, but here's the thing..  When somebody dares to be honest (to even a few that currently STILL sub under "C" and for rank and claim they can handle honesty) and DARES to give them even a "9" on a 1-10 rank scale, they are wounded !  Now as I stated,  that's fine if THEY wish to behave that way.. I would have NO difficulty knowing people want the 10, to give it to them.. It's no sweat of my back...but here's the problem..follow the logic

Kappy <--- Started singing thursday night for the first time, and is learning with the
                help of some friends in KS.  Realizes "OK What Now", an extremely
                talented singer knows that given all attempted genres, and numerous
                submissions doesn't even believe in real, that he's a "9" rank singer.
                Let's assume I *DID* sub for rank and critique.. I would expect in the
                Singers Showcase currently NOTHING higher than a 6 given where I am
                and how much I have to learn... But few would DARE to give me that 6
                and I say 6 feeling I'm at best currently a "3".. and that's ALL I'd really
                want. Anything different would be counterproductive to ME, it'd be
                hurting ME... BUT, it can't happen in SS.. If I felt people would be willing
                to give me a rank score on a heirarchy of "10" being the best vocalist,
                singing the best song EVER they can imagine, I'd be happy to sub. In
                my opinion, the fact that few would dare give me below a 5 is insulting
                to the singers that ARE "8" ranking singers (which means AMAZINGLY
                talented) and MYSELF, somebody who needs direction, and to be
                honestly paced in the singing realm of musicians..

My point being,  Singers Showcase DOES allow for what a few of us need, BUT, what
happens is allowing this to happen poses a threat to the current system.

Singers showcase only needs ONE THING, to allow this to work.  Adults being honest knowing THEIR ACTUAL WANTS AND NEEDS and boundaries, and other adults respecting that !

Those that sub for JFF or comments MUST have THAT respected by others !  Those that submit in a vast public forum for "C" must also be willing to make allowances for those that aren't articulate (but mean well), and NEVER bash those attempting to help them.  After-all, they ARE asking for help from others !  In not respecting boundaries of their own, and others, Singers Showcase has become the nursury school "I want a Gold Star" setting and it certainly in many cases doesn't allow for Critique... Reason being, those that KNOW better, for the MOST part.. Genuinely believe that it's "Negative" to tell a person that needs a Critique, they didn't do too well..  I don't understand this..  In sports, AND arts, do you consider ALL people to be of equal ability ?   We're not, nor can we EVER become better without at least some people daring to be honest,  and that gets fought tooth and nail within the showcase as it currently exists

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

True...

I believe I already stated that I was misunderstanding what C meant so I just started subbing under JFF..

I subbed a whole bunch of songs under C and very few told me what they actually thought..

A few did, but for the most part it was major fluff...

I can see if you are trying to use SS as a tool to help improve your abilities, it could prove very frustrating...

Good luck on that  :whistle:

I would think that your critz thread would be more help in that regard around this type of format.

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Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Knowledge is limited.

Imagination encircles the world...

Nice thing is, there has been honesty within the bboards, and THAT has helped me immeasureably because I HONESTLY don't know how to hear myself with objectivity.  If ever I attempted an area where honest mature help can work, it's this area.. I think WE MUST allow others to be our "ears" some of the time. Of course I don't know, nor do I profess too.  I'm new to all this..

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

dude after all the photoshopping i taught you, thats the best you can do.....cmon Steven...you mastered singing, time to move on to cut and paste !! dont make me whip out the "little girl kappy" pic !! hehehe

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Gladly helping Kappy to become cyber immortal !!

The Vietnam era was a very different style Mikey.  Flower Children were more acceptable, longer hair was "in",  it was a time of rebellion, and those of us that went to Woodstock '69 had a different mentality

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

 LMAO  LMAO  LMAO  LMAO

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Mikey also made me this too Cathi.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Hmmmmmm, what happens if ya read more'n one?

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 :rotflmao:  LMAO

OMG!!!

Mikey teh photoshop guru...

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Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Knowledge is limited.

Imagination encircles the world...