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Dr Fred
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 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:48 pm |
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I just got my set of the Sweet Georgia Brown toolbox.
The odd thing on it is the message:
Federal Law Prohibits The Unauthorized copy or Duplication
Not for Public Performance
Sure some of the purists may say that SGB is not for public performance due to their quality, but hey I started Karaoke at a bar where SGB was the songlist. On a price per song basis they are a good way to get started.
I just wonder what kinda crazy legal minds think that I could get into trouble by doing a public performance of Karaoke.
Now did they not pay for the song rights? Why else would a karaoke disk not be for public performance. Sure the bar where I intend to do Karaoke will only have crowds of 30-50 but it is public.
I am trying to do this legal and not be a 10,000 song (download) wonderchild, but this seems silly. I bought the disks.
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:10 pm |
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Dr Fred @ Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:48 pm wrote: Now did they not pay for the song rights? Would stake my life on it! They generally seem to put stuff out that has been denied for other manus. Quote: I am trying to do this legal and not be a 10,000 song (download) wonderchild, but this seems silly. I bought the disks.
Not for public performance generally means that anywhere you play must have their BMI/ASCAP license. Just because you bought a disc don't mean you have the right to play it commercially. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Dr Fred
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:31 pm |
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Ok I knew about the music rights, and yes I will assume that the bar paid them (well maybe not but they have paid DJs several nights a week).
A paid DJ and KJ would fall under the same catagory so far as BMI is concerned correct? It is the Bar's responsiblity, not the KJ/DJ correct?
As for doing paid private parties I assume BMI would want a "cut" of that as well. Do most KJs pay? I doubt if any but the most visible ones that do 1000 person events do.
Just want to know what laws I will be breaking. Already decided to do laptop karaoke with purchased disks, but supposedly that is illegal. Clearly that is a case of technology is faster than legal change. I will keep all of my disks as backups just in case (a local KJ had his drive stolen).
I want to keep my songlist as legal as possible...
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homeplateBG
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:50 pm |
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I think your downloading wonderchildren are more in the realm of 25-50,000 songs. I think it's pretty standard to have 10-20,000 songs in a library. Especially for KJs who have been in the business for many years.
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EElvis
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:13 am |
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Quote: As for doing paid private parties I assume BMI would want a "cut" of that as well
BMI exempts private parties. as private is not a public performance.
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Murlinman
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:48 am |
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... Quote: BMI exempts private parties. as private is not a public performance.
So why wouldn't all karaoke bars just get around the law by having to have a membership...?
Then it would be private.
What is the law anyways?
I have tried searching and find a lot of different things...
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:48 pm |
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Murlinman @ Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:48 am wrote: ... Quote: BMI exempts private parties. as private is not a public performance. So why wouldn't all karaoke bars just get around the law by having to have a membership...? Then it would be private. What is the law anyways? I have tried searching and find a lot of different things... Still commercial use. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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jdmeister
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:36 pm |
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CroakDog @ Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:50 pm wrote: I think your downloading wonderchildren are more in the realm of 25-50,000 songs. I think it's pretty standard to have 10-20,000 songs in a library. Especially for KJs who have been in the business for many years.
Uh, maybe 95,000.. :shock:
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EElvis
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:07 am |
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Per Ascap,
Quote: 2. What is a public performance?
A public performance is one that occurs either in a public place or any place where people gather (other than a small circle of a family or its social acquaintances.) A public performance is also one that is transmitted to the public; for example, radio or television broadcasts, music-on-hold, cable television, and by the internet. Generally, those who publicly perform music obtain permission from the owner of the music or his representative. However, there are a few limited exceptions, (called "exemptions") to this rule. Permission is not required for music played or sung as part of a worship service unless that service is transmitted beyond where it takes place (for example, a radio or television broadcast). Performances as part of face to face teaching activity at a non-profit educational institutions are also exempt.
http://www.ascap.com/licensing/licensingfaq.html
I have spoken to them, and they tell me weddings, and private parties are exempt.
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