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EWW, That sweater was SO grody, puke me to the max fer shure;  I'm like,  why am I even borrowing Seb's sweater HELLOOOO ! It's like, OH MY GOD that would be so TOTALLY tubular fer shure, ya know then I'm all-  well good-bye dweeb, I'm like here comes Kappy the tripendicular 818 VAL fer shure to the max, and Like I'm all take it out've the plastic bag HELLOOOO, I'm all thinking fer shure this is like totally megabitchin fer shure !!! I'm all, HELLOOOO !!!!!! here I am life, GOOD-BYE nerd.   Guess what ?  it's me, bye bye nerd, Here's bitchin' Kappy in a now way- like class to the max fer shure. but then like all of a sudden...BARF me to the "N"th degree, I'm all open the bag, and then......OH MUH GOD, PEE- EW, barf-0-rama, does she EVER like wash this sweater HELLOOOO  :shock: , What's wrong here girlfriend..Megapuke to the max fer shure I'm like UPCHUCK CITY...NO WAY.

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Oh my gosh, this valley girl talk brings back memories. I went to high school in California, and I sure heard enough of that stuff.

Although, I never did any of it myself. To put it politely,  :roll:  , those girls hung out on a different part of the school grounds than me & my friends did. You know, the "valley girls" and the girls who rode the school bus 40 minutes down from the hills into town didn't exactly blend too well.

As to the original subject "the death of christmas"........ YOU TELL 'EM RITA. I'm with ya 100%. Personally, I have stronger views, but man could I ever get  a riot going if I spoke ALL my thoughts about it here.  So I wont.

I just pretty much think the non-believers should shut up about how everyone else celebrates. Stores no longer displaying anything related to church at CHRISTmas time ............ is one of the stupidest things to happen in our country over the last century.  Now they want to take "in god we trust" off of US currency. What are they gonna do, remodel all of the federal buildings next....... to get rid of all the bible verses & the christian sculpting that's etched in stone on them?

Ah well, I don't want to get into that kinda discussion here.

Hope everyone here has a nice christmas season- or whatever holiday you celebrate- hope it's a great one.

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The point is that NO ONE is forcing you to take YOUR displays down (the ones on your lawn or on YOUR business property).  The library is a PUBLIC building, funded by all of the people in your community, including atheists and Jews.  They/we should not have to pay for YOUR religious displays.  They shouldn't have had just the animals because that is offensive, too, of course.  The mayor was wrong to put his own beliefs, or some of his constituents' beliefs, over the others.  

Is it a big deal? No.  There are a lot worse and far more important things going on in the country and world.

Who made it such a big deal? The news media!  Especially FOX.  The rest of us have always complained about these things....now that businesses and others are finally listening and trying to be more tolerant and sensitive (and also not wanting to offend their customers), the news media has decided to make a fuss about it.

Again, they are just trying to distract us from the war and the lack of celebrity murders.

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Charmin,

I never heard that speak, think it was an LA thing or it happened after I left California...

Fortunately we have free speech so we can complain about anything we want  :argue:

I would LOVE it if they'd do what you said (taking out In God We Trust etc.) but don't worry, the politicians love to pander to Xtians so it won't be happening any time in this millennium....

You can feel free to speak your mind any time, isn't it more interesting (as long as we keep it friendly)?  

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Few more comments from this old philosopher... I am not a christian as such in fact I am a wicca a spiritualist but i do practice the the teachings of Christ sometimes more than so called christians do...Especially in the teachings of showing tolerence for all showing compassion for all and he did not try to force his father or religion on anybody...The practice of any religion has not been stifled by laws that in the end will be nothing but dust.  A doll in a box in a display private or public is trivial and totally insignificant. However those who object to it have an agenda that has nothing to do with tolerence love compassion or anything this country was founded upon.. For god's sake they are sending women suicide bombers against their enemies...If you are aware of the evil ones then speak out against them dont let satan blind your vision with cotton...And dont get caught up in the smoke screens of the current politicians. And political correctness is nothing more than deteriation of family values and old traditions that this country was founded upon..

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So the world should do things the Suzanne way eh.  Talk about arrogance.  My Jewish and Muslim friends are appalled by what is going on.  Not one of them feel "threaten" by Christmas and think the liberal attempts to kill Christmas is ridiculous.  I love for you to go to the Middle East or India or the like and try your shenanigans there.   When you take traditions away, you will end up with nothing.  Come to think of it when they take God of you money, I hope they take all the religious hoildays away so everyone will have to work on those days.  The problem with liberals are they are not happy until everything is their way as if it the only way.

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My own feelings are that religion is an individual thing that is necessary for some, but other's have a right (as adults) to their own beliefs. While some have a right to worship and love their God, other's have as much of a right to refute such a belief based upon what they believe to be an unfounded man-created and fear-based concept.  While I believe the commandments, and the Golden Rule are crucial to try to live by (they just make alot of sense), I try to be a decent person, and remain a happy person without a fear of a punitive spiritual deity. I'm agnostic, have tried several religions, but found that ultimately it's fear, and not true love that keeps many religious people imprisoned, and trying to cling onto eternal life. Something I've written on is my own belief that for so many there's a natural profound fear of what's unexplainable and possibly absurd, our existence. Actual acceptance of nothingness----->life----->nothingness creates separation anxiety for many,  and to some an existance that may not have a significant meaning creates a strong existentialistic anxiety. To quell the fear that our existence is only perhaps a random 80 year period that has no logical explanation a solution that makes things more tolerable would be if a new supreme paternal Ghost Obviates Death.  Whatever works for you individually is great, and to believe in something is very important. If religion doesn't harm anyone, but helps them in some way. It's positive and purposive, and for many a psychological necessity. It's nothing that should ever be impinged on other's lifestyles,  nor is it anything that should be imposed denying other's of their rights to live a comfortable life.

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It never ceases to amaze me Iv'e been all over this world No matter what religion or philosophy one has If they believe in live let live, my opinion is only mine and i respect yours, if they believe in letting their offspring detemine their destiny and find their own god then everybody comes to the same conclusion and lives in harmony for it it those that seek power that try to tip the balance (the meek shall inherent the earth) There are natural laws and spiritual laws that govern and no man made laws or wars or letters to the editor or responses to this thread will change the outcome..

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Live and Let Live, and the serenity prayer are aspects I work on daily.  Interesting point

Tim said something earlier about my not celebrating Christmas because I'm not a believer.  I have been thinking about that.

Let me explain some things.  First of all, I was raised a Catholic, and like all children believed everything my parents told me, especially about the existence of Jesus, Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, etc.  We all believe our parents our perfect and never lie when we are young.  My brother told me when I was a little girl, just to be mean, that there was no Santa, and that was very devastating.  I still believed in God and Jesus for a while because I had no reason not to. I didn't like church much, though.  Later I stopped going to church but I was living with a born-again family for a while, and they took me to see Billy Graham and everything.  So for a little while I was "saved" as well.  When I got older, I started examing my beliefs about everything, as we all probably do at some point, and I realized that I had no proof there is any God or Jesus, any more than I had proof about Santa, the tooth fairy, or leprechuans. I'm not denigrating anyone else's beliefs here, just explaining how it worked for ME.  I was not going to church by that time so it was no big deal to stop believing, anyway. I had a pretty secular life.  

Christmas is an important tradition to me, same as it is with most families in the US, religious or not.  On the one hand, it reminds us of being young and innocent, and all the magic and wonder that goes along with Christmas when you're a child, and getting presents, etc.  I grew up in a poor family with an alcoholic father who was hardly ever home and drank up our money, so I didn't really have too many great Christmases that I can remember.  I remember one particularly awful one where he failed to bring home the Christmas tree we all looked forward to.  Later, after I was put in a foster home, I had much better Christmases.  It isn't all about presents; it's about the symbols, like the tree and deocrations, and being with family and friends, and being nice to each other. It's about being JOYFUL, whether you believe in the source of that joy or not.  And I love the music, the lights, the festivity.  (I also love Halloween, but it doesn't last that long)

I like the "idea" of Jesus and Christmas. I like the thought of a special innocent little child who will someday grow up to be the savior of mankind.  I always love the heroes and good guys in every story.  I want good to prevail. I love shows where good and evil are very definite ,and good triumphs over evil, like Star Wars and Charmed (just to name two examples of many).  I love shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Joan of Arc or even 7th Heaven, where God is the good guy, and he has a plan and knows what's going on, and he sets things right, and where ministers and other religious people are actually good, sympathetic and tolerant people who try to live a good life and don't shove their religions down other people's throats.  In TV and movies, God or "the good guy" or "the light" or whatever it is, is portrayed in an ideal fashion.  And usually, the people in those shows actually talk to God or his minions, or have some proof of his existence, and that's why they are more than happy to go traveling through time to set things right, or battle the demons of evil, or other tasks set forth for them.  
Unfortunately, life is not TV or movies.  I see no proof of God or Jesus or any benevolent thing out there that is guiding us.  Most people I know who are very religious (this is in real life, not the net because I don't know any of you well enough to judge you) are either stick-up-their-butts people with no sense of humor, or they are complete hypocrites who say good things but do bad things, or they try to tell the rest of how to live or they are ignorant and seem to revel in that ignorance.  I only know two people in real life who are the exception to that example.

There is a lot of suffering in this world and to me, I would find it hard to believe in a god who lets that go on.  Why would a good person, let alone an all-powerful god, allow hunger, aids, children suffering, and all the other horrible things, let alone the horrible childhood I had? If I ever met him or had any proof that he existed, I would ask him.  But from what I can tell, that ain't gonna happen.  Let's not even get into all the inconsistencies in the bible, or why Christians are right and why the other faiths are all wrong!

Also, to me praying and going to church seems like a big waste of time that I don't want to bother with.  If I knew God existed, maybe I would, but...I have better things to do.    Hey, back when I prayed, my life sucked, but now that I don't, life is great and has been for 25 years.  It's all coincidence, though.

And another thing, if God is so all-knowing and all-seeing, he knows why I think what I do, and what has brought me here, so how could he possibly fault me? Seems like he set the whole scenario up to begin with.

Anyway, so that's how I feel about God and Christmas. I love Christmas, love the fictional symbols and story behind Christmas, and all the stuff that goes with the celebration, but I do not believe in that story in real life, any more than I believe in Quantum Leap or Joan of Arc or Star Wars.  To me believing is a supersition, like believing in ghosts, psychics, or UFO's (and yes, I know people who believe in those, too).

Sorry if this offends and I will be happy to read about anyone else's opinions or beliefs!  Just keep it nice

Maybe I'm just a litle more sensitive to this issue, living in the Bible Belt!!  Come down here and you'll have no doubt about what holiday we're talking about!!

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There's alot of this type theory in philosophy.  John Stuart Mill's theory was pretty much that an omnipotent, omniscient loving God wouldn't allow such evil to exist, after-all  a powerful God would have control, and a loving God wouldn't turn a blind eye to such evils. I think that's what you were alluding to. From Mill's perspective, there's a problem when:

The Inconsistent Tetrad
1. God is omniscient.
2. God is omnipotent.
3. God is morally perfect.
4. Evil Exists.


I believe Christianity answers to that by stating God desired to create a race that would love Him. But to do-so love requires man to have free choice and will, Evil wasn't God's choice, but a necessary possible state man could fall into having "free will". Adam and Eve disobeyed God and by their choice, they brought evil into the world, so Man brought evil upon himself by selfishly choosing his own way and disobeying God's desire.

Christianity claims that those of us maintaining the worlds evils are because God has turned his back, are stating God was wrong to allow us choice, and free will.

There's a whole area of theology that deals with Evil, and it's coexistence with God.  It's called "Theodicy".  Pretty interesting study.

Steven do you know why adam (from adam and eve) was the dumbest most naive and most innocent of any man thatever existed?

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ok, i'll venture in here.  timberlea, where do you get that idea from her post?  i wonder what your reaction would be if a pagan religion or one you didn't believe in wanted to put their symbols on property that was partly funded by you.  would you accept that?  sounds like you want it your way or no way.  am i wrong?  i'd love to hear your thoughts.

Karyoker, nope..  My knowledge of the bible is so lacking, it's scary

I would like to get serious for a minute.. The press has absolutely destroyed americas reputation to the whole world... Most countrys dont know what it is to expreess opinions in public...They are structered in a single philosophy and their offspring are taught an eaarly age to conform with the state I would love to broadcast this thread to the world and show the whole world what this country is about how we can express ourselves and show many opinions on a single subject and are free to do so God I love this country...

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Well, in a sense this site is international, isn't it ?   But I know what you're saying. What the press show's are the negative aspects much of the time. Often making us look like a nation of fools.  Yet the flipside is how people are free to formulate their own idea's, without fear (most of the time) of any sort of governmental retribution. Aren't things as free in Sweden, Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada, and other countries too ?   I don't recall the details, and naturally I don't know this firsthand since I haven't traveled the world... Aren't we ranked among the top 7 free countries, at least in terms of what you describe Karyoker ?  For instance in other european countries, our types of constitutional freedoms also exist (more or less) ?

I think Belgium, and the Netherlands must be quite liberal if they now allow gay marriages.

Yup but I just ran out of beer and nuked a bowl of chili.. I think its lay down time...  Maybe we can figure it out tomorrow see ya...

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Yeah,  I better crash too.... Take care !