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I'm confused,  was he IN the enclosure, or inside the 12 foot wall area ? Did they enter the grotto and climb down the wall towards the moat and somehow get a chance to escape to the exterior area while chased by the cat ?

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What a bad deal animal gets shot 1 kid dead too bad no one ever taught them that its not nice to taunt animals.

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The moat in the third picture has been drained... but reports are that the tiger cleared that sucker anyway.
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Today, investigators released data on found footprints up on the rails around the moat, matched to one of the perps..

Yes, they were taunting the cats..

Too bad for them..  LMAO

look at the guy in the moat, my kitty cat could make that jump...


I said it before and i'll say it again.

That cat was not after food.

He was on a mission to end a threat he felt was there to him and his pals.

Let's get this entire picture:

Booze, dope, low IQ-smart A$$ punks, sticks and rocks, yelling and taunting and one very pi$$ed off innocent caged tiger, minding it's own business.

The poor tiger only got to finish 1/3 of his mission.

Have you read the 2006 episode, and viewed actual accounts of how aggressively the cat went after the woman feeding it, reaching out've the cage and with both front legs pulling her in tearing her arm off after she gave it the food ?  I think you'll find that this was a combination of factors.  The cat was extremely aggressive too.. The zoo has a responsibility to protect it's critters AND visitors, fact is bratty kids DO come along..  As do bratty adults.  Happens at all zoos..  Zoo must take that into consideration as well.

Zoo's would be deadly environments if potentially lethal animals had the capability to escape their enclosures when they felt determined to do-so.  The zoo failed to properly keep the tiger IN it's enclosure but it was also WAY too easy for the other three animals to enter the cats enclosure assuming that's what happened.  The fact is, the cat had the ability to escape at will, and for a few to say such an animal has the capacity for "sound reasoning" and will use logic once out've it's enclosure ONLY seeing to "balanced justice" is also going overboard here too.  People tend to use funny analogies that rhetorically appear to make sense such as,  "Fire is potentially lethal too, should people not have ovens because a few burn themselves" ? OR some will say that this is analogous to a person climbing a barrier on the Golden Gate Bridge and jumping off; claiming "It's not the responsibility of the transit authority".   I don't believe this is analogous to establishing the necessary partition between rowdy kids and deadly aggressive animals.  That responsibility rests with the zoo.

Fact is,  if I have a license to collect "hot snakes" and a visitor enters my home questionably taking the top off've a rattle-snake terrarrium making the assumption he can pick up the snake, and gets bit on the chest by a rattler and dies;  I'm responsible too.  Even more of an onus falls on a zoo, because such an environment deliberately draws individuals of ALL types in.  It's the nature of it's business, it also plays party to creating what might be considered "attractive nuisance" behaviour allowing for deadly scenerios to happen and because it draws in millions of visitors A zoo can't "play the odds" chalking this up to "statistics" regarding what may never have happened "assuming" bratty kids didn't exist by saying,  "Yeah, the cat could escape but it likely never would've under other types of circumstances".  Fact is,  the environment existed where the tiger could escape, and visitors could easily agitate the tiger, such an environment was not supervised properly taking *ALL* animal behaviour into consideration ~

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Very well said and written Steven.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

It would be an ideal world if you could walk into New Yorks Museum of natural history, and the Gem area with the "Star of India" Sapphire wasn't heavily guarded due to theft concerns.  It'd be an ideal world if you could tour Fort Knox, and sharp-shooters weren't heavily guarding the valuables.. It would be an ideal world if commercial pilots could fly planes and the cockpits remained unlocked too.. Fact is wrong behaviour can and does happen and we don't live in an ideal world where people and animals always adhere to reason and balance. In PUBLIC environments designed to draw millions of unscreened individuals ALL precautions must be taken if potential for danger exists.

A few objective points:

Autopsy to cat shows no trauma (other than bullet entrance wounds) it does show splintered claws not unlike a condition created by a tiger determined to climb the moat wall and get to a target).

Response time to cats escape was slow, the zoo had visitors yet was not prepared to quickly deal with such an emergent situation.

Assuming a visitor is found taunting an animal such behaviour carries misdemeanor charges.

The two older brothers might have been on the outside wall waving and growling to get the cats attention (supposedly taunting it according to an eye-witness who claims there were four boys, and the killed younger teen was not taunting the cat but in fact looked apologetic for the behaviour of his two older friends -Delallawall (SP) brothers who did have a police record).

There was alcohol found in the kids near twice that of the legal driving limit, and they were smoking pot..  (My thoughts are take any of the baby-boomer judges and prosecutors that will be trying them when they too were teens in the 1960's and 1970's following their Martini lunches at least once a week or-so and their blood alcohol level and pot content was as high... but that's just my opinion )

There was no sling-shot found.

We do not yet know extent of "taunting"..

QUESTION:

  Those of you that are parents and grand-parents.  Would you have felt comfortable taking your kids and grandkids to that zoo, or felt comfortable entering that zoo yourself knowing such an animal deciding it wished to go on an ambush HAD the ability to escape at will all along ?  How about the woman and her daughter that were alongside the boys moments earlier ?  There were others endangered too..  

(I do not believe the boys were angels by any stretch of the imagination, NOR WAS the cat, in essence they were all on probation for past behaviour).  I DO believe ultimately the zoo has the responsibility to protect it's residents from certain behaviour, and similarly human animals that visit from aggressive behaviour when there is a chance of it occurring. I would not have felt comfortable going to that zoo knowing the cat could escape if it decided it hated me, 'wanted a snack', or just a pudgy middle-aged scraching post/patsy to bat around a few times.)

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Would you feel comfortable having your wife & kids around the accused taunters?

Drunk and high and acting like jerks?????


Would you let them behave like that to them, without some repercussions?

For every action, there is a reaction.

Everyone knows the difference between right and wrong.  The tiger knows one thing.  How to try to survive the best he can.  He was put in a situation to react.  He did.  Can't fault him for doing a natural instinct.  Self preservation. You have, i have it, the tiger had it.

A person's natural instinct is to not mess with a wild animal.  One that can kill you very easy.   Stupid plays a big part in this.

The zoo has the liability to protect you from harm.  But there comes a point where it is out of their control, because of extenuating circumstances.  That went way beyond the norm.

Jerks abound, and FEW humans always maintain "common sense" at any age, is waving and growling at a tiger that's caged and separated by a moat "it's not capable of climbing" a guaranteed death sentence at a zoo ?  Of course not. People do it all the time right or wrong. MANY MANY would be dead by your logic sidewinder.  Additionally, All that have worked in retail behind a counter have been taunted by such jerks in a similar manner to a caged animal.. A mans wife and kids are around such jerks daily, they don't kill ! Cops get flipped off by such jerks, such jerks do weird things in cars all the time and it's called road-rage. We might feel like killing them, but if we exhibited such behaviour and touched them, we'd be in cages that WE CAN not escape from (Jail),  Reason being, we'd be a threat to society. A tiger that can escape it's enclosure is a killing machine that has the chance to kill at any given time, the tiger wasn't about to discriminate regarding who shall die and who won't, if-so all the employees wouldn't have gone into lockdown due to fear, but they'd have instead reacted more quickly, a free tiger is a killing machine.  Jerky kids on the otherhand are just that, something most of we males have been at some point.. and ANY zoo that doesn't prepare, protect, safeguard all, taking MANY aspects of psychology into consideration and make allowances for human behaviour especially when it allows minors unattended (considering kids tend to be more aggressive, drink, and do such things since people are generally stupid quite frequently as human animals that DO tease those in cages who they feel safe from), is allowing such a scenerio to take place.  It is a KNOWN FACT, kids at some point (males especially challenge aggression) tease animals in cages whether right or wrong, at 4 I picked a Siamese cat up by it's tail, swung it around, and almost lost an eye.. Stupid ? Of course, but I didn't like the cat, and I was a dumb human.. one reason many kids tend to exhibit such aggression (yes it's wrong, but it still HAPPENS)  when such an animal is caged is (tho very WRONG) kids often feel victimized and look for scape-goats for their anger..Adults know better, but kids ARE allowed into the zoo without supervision !! From a more mature perspective, common sense STILL dictates to parents that their bratty kids are safe from these animals because the zoo has the responsible of ample partition, and is supposed to adhere to guidelines keeping safe partition BOTH ways, these kids didn't let the cat out.. They picked no lock on it's gate....meaning EVEN mature adults realize  "The animal can't escape quickly jump the moat,", the cat COULD have walked the other way and gone into it's enclosed area to get away from the brats too btw, it was not trapped... A Tiger MUST not be able to get to patrons, and vice-versa, such a condition is the zoo's responsibility solely !  Assuming ANYBODY believed the cat was such a risk, that zoo would NEVER have been able to get insurance....The zoo allowed something deadly to happen on its grounds, the ZOO is responsible for the behaviour of it's animals given all types human interaction given millions of visitors....When an animal has the capability to kill at will, the zoo must take ALL things into consideration and have better security and protection, because as I stated, this incident also allowed OTHERS to become endangered, and due to degree of danger and lack of preparation, and lockdowns, there was poor response (even tho these kids might've been a catalyst that is a different aspect of this) still, many lives were risked, MANY innocent lives.. Degree of taunting besides, is UNKNOWN...

Would I feel comfortable having my wife and kids around ANY tiger that's free or can escape  ?  ABSOLUTELY NOT... Tigers Kill people !  bratty kids are just pains in the A$$ that exist ALL over..



We aren't talking about a lamb or goat at a petting zoo that's free to interact with kids, we are talking about a deadly tiger, a tiger in a zoo also has a natural instinct to escape, and be VERY uncomfortable in MANY situations. Does that mean it should be able to ? It's also natural for tigers to kill people, to keep quite a distance from the in the wild, and vice-versa, they are man-eating beasts, does that mean it's cool for the cat to stalk me at a zoo when it views me fighting with a friend in a different area, seeing me as a "risk" it follows jumps it's enclosure and pounces me when it escapes because that's what tigers do ?  Was it cool for the Mountain Lion two years ago to kill the mountain biker it stalked, pounced and ate thinking it looked like a rabbit ?  Sure,  stuff happens.. But certains species MUST be separated from humans and vice-versa..   Point is, the cat was ABLE to free itself !  Could've at ANY given time, and It's level of aggression was VERY well known !


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In the wild you are correct.  A zoo isn't the wild, a zoo sets up a safe atmosphere where a bratty kid CAN in fact tease an animal (right or wrong) and survive, because kids have aggression, kids can display anger often using a caged animal as a scape-goat, and for this reason the zoo has the responsibility to protect it's animals from kids anger and aggressive teasing too !!  Happens ALL the time ! such conditions given bratty aggressive angry kids behaviour towards caged animals is CONSTANT all over.. You often see parents disciplining their kids on the spot for such reasons. Kids are kids.. Zoos aren't a microcosm of "The wild"..  They are jailed animals..Reason being, they aren't safe.

Nope,  I'm faulting the zoo BECAUSE an immature person who is feeling aggression VERY COMMONLY has a naturally instinct to tease a caged animal !  Especially a kid that's been bullied and feels victimized.. Unfortuneately they DO use cages animals as targets of this type behaviour...and NO,  in a zoo the animals must NOT be allowed the situation where they are able to react in such a way that will easily kill the bratty kid.. Things don't work that way.. This is ALL up to the zoo to over-see !  Animal and human psychology DO lock antlers quite often  ALL over, there SHOULD have at least been a closed circuit camera, zoo personel in the area or system that indicated there was a fiasco about to happen !

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Screw those jerks.. Let the tigers eat all they want..

It happened all the time at the Bronx Zoo.  Kids would get angry seeing Monkeys hanging upside down from their perches masturbating, and throw rocks at them thinking they were freaks... I got pelted in the head with a rock, and my girlfriend took a rock to the arm...

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Well I have to agree no matter what them boys did to the Tiger the zoo should have had a more secure enclosure for the animal. Where were all the employees they were still open. Customer safety should have been their number one priority.

[highlight=red]In the wild you are correct.  A zoo isn't the wild, a zoo sets up a safe atmosphere where a bratty kid CAN in fact tease an animal ............[/highlight]
Just because the "WILD" animal is in a zoo and in a cage doesn't make it stop being considered wild.  It's as dangerous or even more dangerous, because he knows he's trapped in a confinement.

Gun makers have a responsibility too.  But they are not liable if you put the gun to your head and pull the trigger. I.E. Stupid activity.

They are responsible to make a "safe" product, free from defects.  They try to promote using guns "safely." (This sentence sounds like an OXIMORON)

The zoo should not be held responsible for someone doing a blatantly stupid act.

If the zoo is negligent in the needed enclosure dimensions, then they must accept some responsibility.  They are not accountable for visitor stupidity.  

Is the airline company responsible if you want to jump without a parachute?   If they told you to, maybe.  If they sat you beside an unlocked door, maybe.  But not if you took it upon yourself to do it and ignored all the warnings against doing it.

There will always be a price to pay for stupid activity.  Some more severe than others.  I almost drowned as a 12 year old kid.  On a raft in the middle of the river,  I can't swim.  Whose fault would that be?  The raft maker?  STUPIDITY

I do not and can not give full "fault" responsibilty to the zoo.  Your drivers license allows you to drive.  Responsibly, not recklessly.   When you drive recklessly you get a ticket or you get in a wreck.  You could kill someone or be killed.  Your license doesn't cover anybody's death.  It didn't give you permission to kill or be killed.  It is not the states fault. You chose to drive in a stupid manner.  You pay the price. You can't sue the state because it gave you a license and you wrecked because you did something stupid.


[highlight=red] I got pelted in the head with a rock, and my girlfriend took a rock to the arm...  [/highlight]


This is exactly what i'm talking about....

You shouldn't have been masturbating in public, at the zoo....I would have thrown rocks at you too...

Stupid activity gets a reaction

@sidewinder
A drunk customer was fooling around in the bar that you are a KJ. He fell down and know down your speaker. It (the speaker) fell on him and he landed in the hospital.  He sued you. And you think he has no case?

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

How am i responsible if he is out- of- control drunk?

Yes my speaker hit him.  But my speaker did not jump out and fall on him by itself.  My speaker was knocked over by him. From his stupidity.

If my speaker fell on him because i didn't set it up right, it's my fault.  There is a difference.

And if there was any damage to my speaker he will pay for it because he knocked it over.

If he knocked it over acting dumb, i am not negligent.  He is at fault.

Answer this question...


God gets the tiger and the kid at the pearly gates.

What does he say to the tiger?  



What does he say to the kid?

Good luck

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Would you like a snack before going in.

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Moral of the story. Dont go to the zoo and smoke grass and believe your buddy when he says the tigers name is Tony...

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