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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:36 am 
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I dont know we use to collect a big crowd on hole 9 watching us trying to knock a ball across a huge water hazard.. LMAO One time after about 6 balls a guy threw his clubs in the lake and went on to the 19th hole and we havnt seen him since LMAO  LOL

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One time after about 6 balls a guy threw his clubs in the lake and went on to the 19th hole and we havnt seen him since  


Now regarding golfing, The above incident I can totally empathise with !  LMAO

(Golf is one friggin difficult activity where every little thing is critical, but I think in a similar way, whether you can or can't golf when on the golf course you show respect for others and the course..  I believe the stage is the same way)


(personally,  golf just ended up a dangerous weapon and it became increasingly difficult to find others willing to be seen on a fairway with me, at least during the period I was allowed on the fairway)

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Okay, I have a confession:  Many moons ago I was golfing with three other buddies of mine.  One named Shorty who has since died (car accident) and I did tell him the truth before he died.

Anyhoo, we were on the t-box for a par three.  Four other gentlemen were a short ways away on the t-box going the other way.  I got up there with an iron; As I reached the top of my swing I felt the club pull free.  I said "SH1I!"  They are saying 'NO good hit."  It was. I put the ball 2 inches from the hole.  However my problem was that now my clup was flying in the direction of the other 4 some, imitating the sound of a blackhawk helicopter coming in for a landing.  Of course the other men had to duck. I somewhat read faced proceeded to make the short but seemingly long walk over to pick up my club.  As I approached them they were laughing and said, "Hey don't worry about it. It could happen toanyone."  I laughed and quickly said, "Yea, that's what I tried to tell Shorty but he was too embarrassed to come pick it up himself."

I think 5 years went by before i told him what I said.  LMAO

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Reposted in Lounge Golfthread.

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The most simplest course I ever had in college was golf for PE. Hit balls into a canvass and possibly a driving range for a whole quarter. Never went to a course till in the military Most bases had good courses and it was cheap almost nothing. Never got real good at it but it was fun for awhile.

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Ollie,  I posted a "golf" thread in the OT room.   I don't want to threadjack, and I've been doing that too much lately.

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Steven, You question proffessional? How bout a company totally dropping their fee for a gig already performed. I have been doing this gig for years. The state run program has fallen on hard times.

So i humped all my equipment and discs and paid a helper to help me to hump them to the farmingdale university campus. I put on a great show last xmas season.

I have a big heart for the kids.


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The joy on the kids faces as they do karaoke on my wireless is priceless. Young minority kids between 12-16 in a giant auditorium on the eve of xmas.

There are even handicapped kids in the state program and those kids sing as well. 2 Years ago a wheelchair bound girl sang occapella on the mic with a sweet young voice.

The youngsters blow my mind with their enthusiasm..

If you ever think i'm a phony you may contact : The nys liberty partnership program,Farmingdale university ny.

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Not at all Big Jimmy.  I question whether or not *I* have ever been exposed to a professional KJ's show where I'm living.  I don't doubt any in here.  I'm saying that  personally,  I probably haven't been exposed to a show run by a professional KJ up in my location.  Which is why it'd be tough for me to sit through a full night of the type shows I've been exposed to. I'm admitting that it's quite likely that *I* don't know what a professional KJ is.  I'm not stating any that are professional are not.

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Not at all Big Jimmy.  I question whether or not *I* have ever been exposed to a professional KJ's show where I'm living.  I don't doubt any in here.  I'm saying that  personally,  I probably haven't been exposed to a show run by a professional KJ up in my location.  Which is why it'd be tough for me to sit through a full night of the type shows I've been exposed to. I'm admitting that it's quite likely that *I* don't know what a professional KJ is.  I'm not stating any that are professional are not.


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Meaning *I* have likely formulated an opinion of "bar Karaoke" based upon the types of KJ's most of you professionals in here are complaining are similarly hurting the business. I've never been to a private event that's had Karaoke.  I don't travel going looking for Karaoke bars.  Most of you would probably walk out've these events shaking your heads  "Now that really sucked".  This has been my exposure to what a "KJ" is, and even though I am not a KJ,  I realize that if I were in their shoes,  I'd have more consideration for the audience, and create some boundaries.


IE,,  IF a really abominable singer steps up to the microphone,  shouldn't the KJ do some system tweaking to at least attempt to minimize the agony when the person cups the microphone and starts howling ?

My main point is however,  both KJ and singer should always attempt to keep the stage a respectable place !   Because personally I believe On a stage is a priviledged place, and should be treated as such regardless of the activity or ability level when there are several hundred exposed to the performance.

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Big Jimmy,  I think I understand what some of the ambiguity apears to be.

Most of you in here that respect and appreciate Karaoke, or have an interest in Karaoke are viewing Karaoke from the KJ,  Karaoke recreational activity perspective.

*My* love for Karaoke and my personal experience with Karaoke has been as a musician (multiinstrumentalist) who can't sing well, that discovered Karaoke around 2002 in a smaller studio room and used it ONLY as a session training tool. For me,  Karaoke is a means of practicing to become a singer at some point hopefully in a pro-band setting. Sure Karaoke replaced backup musicians,  but some of us found a way to integrate it into musicianship. IE  The music conservatory setting for the vocal student to conveniently have backing ANYTIME they need it.  Classical music settings, etc.  

THis is the difference !   I use it as I'd use guitar jam tapes to enhance my skill as a musician.  This is my perspective.

You likely didn't know this.  My application of it is very different.  This is why that first post of mine was VERY long,  I believe I got into where *I* am with Karaoke, and my perspective on this area. My love for it is AS a musician, using it as a tool for musicians.  Similarly,  I believe in a lounge of several hundred there are still those that have certain expectations of what they hear on a stage Karaoke or not.

So, although we've talked about plenty of things besides Karaoke BJC,  this is something you likely didn't know about my experience with Karaoke, and my interest in the activity. The original poster asked a question that regarded "performance".  Some in here under 30 that grew up in a world with Karaoke likely perceive the audience-performer relationship differently than those of us that were conditioned in music from the 1950's on to be "performers".

Add to this exposure to NON-pro KJ's.  I'm sure you can see some of the frustration and confusion among those of us brought up to "respect the stage".


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Kelly Nailed part of the conflict in here I am experiencing I believe. While Kelly might not've meant this in terms of my own example:  Honestly,  How many in here actually believe that "Karaoke" in general will give the long standing old school Stage performer- Audience mentality a face-lift, or create a metamorphosis that evolves overall audience mentality to become less critical (judgmental) ?  Would you wish for this to happen to an area of aesthetics assuming you believe change has ensued ?


I had a VERY different upbringing regarding audience-performer psychology in a pre-Karaoke world.  While Karaoke created the exception to the "on stage" norm.  There're still many that would like to see ALL take some pride in their presentation when on a stage regardless of their ability level.  That too was a way of life for many !

In brief,  many today understand how a Bobby Goldsboro song in certain settings can Kill a bars mood, and alienate people.  Well also understand how some of us in the audience can tell the difference in musicianship between Courtney Love and Anita Baker !   Not all will like all styles,  so a compromise is to try to respect the stage and do your thing the best you can realizing MANY might have to listen to it.

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Wow!! I never thought that when I posted this topic it would be so popular!! Thanks so much for all the input and all the different opinions.  This is a great forum and your responses show what great people you all are.  I look forward to many more lively discussion and/or debate.


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You should head over to the off-topic chatroom then  LMAO

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