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Well the orginal post got my mind brewing...hence why I jumped in after all this time lurking around.  I didn't take offense, nor did I think that you were poking fun at me...btw, don't worry....I don't get offended......(hardly ever), it's all in fun.  If you can't take a joke..then that's your problem.  Thanks to those that said hello....Hello goes out to everyone!  MrD

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All fixed now  :D

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Hehhehe, sounds like you may be on to something!

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[shadow=deepskyblue]I'm impressed, I've never met such a small mind inside such a big head before.[/shadow]

First of all, If I was booked to do a dance or a party or wedding, I would be doing KJ/DJ work.   That was what I was being booked as and paid to do.    These are the only 3 circumstances that I will ever play dance music/crowd music.

I am  booked at bars that are paying for karaoke.    They are steady weekly jobs.    That is what I give them week after week.   100% pure karaoke music, played back-to-back, continuously, nonstop, for four hours.     That means that somebody sings every song played.    

The only time someone will not be singing is if there are no singers there or my voice gave out, very near the end of the night.    In that situation I will still play karaoke music that has guide vocals on it.     The words will still be on the screen.   I will do this to give me time to start wrapping up, usually in the last half hour.

I never said they are sitting like bumps on a log.   I never said nobody dances.    I never said there is nobody under 30.    I never said they don't sing Baby Got Butt.    It's either girls with big A**es or smart A** white guys.

I never told anyone to quit playing dance music.


I have suggested that playing dance music and catering to the dance crowd, to the point of alienating your karaoke singers, may have a devastating long term effect on your karaoke business.   Because singers will spread the word about not being able to sing as much as they could, because you play dance music, when you could have somebody singing.   Thereby hurting your reputation.     It's no different than playing favorites with the rotation.     You skip singers to play dance music.     That's how they look at it.   That's how you should be looking at it.     You all keep justifing this in your mind.    Look at it from the standpoint of your loyal karaoke singers.    99% of them don't like it.



I challenge you to do a survey at your next job.   Ask every karaoke singer to honestly give their opinion about you playing dance music, instead of letting them sing more.     I guarantee they don't like it.    Now what will you do?    Ignore them?   Slap them in the face and play dance music anyway?       Go ahead big mouth be brave, ask your loyal singers how they feel.  :yes:


Let's see where it lays.  

If half like it, that means half of your business is DJing.     DJ-o-k-e.      If it's less than half, your karaoke business is on the way out.  :wave:     They will ultimately decide how much longer your business will survive.    NOT me.

No THEY will not decide when your business dies.  YOU will by your actions.

Once again, you are hired by the bar not beacuse you play karaoke, dj, or poop on the stage, you are hired to make their bottom line bigger, THATS IT, THATS ALL.  If I can make a bars bottom line biger by tossing in some REAL music, I will, it gives me an edge over the the people that are KJ only, and and edge over the DJ only people.  If I can make the bar more money by only doing karaoke songs, I will.  It is not up to me (or you lil dog) to decide what is best for the bars bottom line.

Again, if you could draw in 50 more people that spend money at the bar by playing DJ music, and you don't, you are not the oh so great bsuiness man that you claim to be.

I offer both DJ and KJ, and it is know that I do both DJ and KJ.  I can offer more than a DJ only or a KJ only at the same price, therefore I get more $$$$$ from more bookings.

Okay sweetie - I think this is what you don't understand. I have an all karaoke
crowd like you. Do I play music sets, no, because I would lose a lot of my crowd.
I'm in total agreement there, but this is what works in our venues. Just like you feel the need to play music for a wedding or you would not get the job. Others need to do it in their bar settings to keep people coming in. If they did only karaoke they would lose a lot of their crowd, then there would be no karaoke at all. They are not eliminating karaoke all together. They will not kill karaoke, but keep it alive by adding another interest to keep people coming in. If someone plays games in between karaoke it is to keep the crowd fresh and interested. It doesn't mean the end of karaoke and they will be replaced with a game show host. They have just
been innovative in keeping karaoke alive.

Not everyone has the same environment. You may not need lighting at your shows, others do. You may have a crowd that doesn't like rap and hip hop and if you played it would lose your crowd. Others need these kind of songs because the crowd demands it. You have found a way to make not having a stage work to your advantage. That's awesome, but it doesn't work for me. We all have adjusted to what our crowd wants. That is part of being good at what we do. Having the knack to
change with the crowd.

You draw a certain crowd - this type of crowd may not be the majority in other areas. I have not heard one person agree with your philosophy and say I have
been forced to do only DJ work because I made the mistake of playing music sets and my crowd turned into a DJ crowd. I don't know anyone this has happened too.
All I have heard is people being versatile and doing what has kept karaoke alive and well.

These are people who know their crowd and are giving them what they want. I'm sure if they could keep their bars as full and happy by only doing karaoke they would. But if they did only karaoke they would lose business and may be out of a job. Then there would be no karaoke at all.

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< yeah, ok.  WHICH bars are you booked at.  This would be the first step in your 12 step program.



But don't you always have singers?  Oh I guess not, they don't know where to go.  Still playing karaoke music WITH guide vocals is no different than playing a regular dance song, however YOU want to justify it.  Just because it has the words on the screen.  Ok so if we took regular dance music, converted it to a video format that showed the words on the screen, then it would be ok according to your logic...it's still showing the words.  Or are you going to say that it absolutely has to be a karaoke disc now?



No you just don't cater to any of these people.



No basically you said that anyone that plays dance music doesn't know how to do their job.



But at the shows that these kj's are doing it, people are sticking around, so obviously less than 99% of them don't like it.  



Ask the same of your customers if they'd rather sing on a stage with some lighting rather than having to sing from their table...you might be surprised at the answer although you would surely never post the real results here, no point, no one knows where you play anyway, so those people don't exist!




If half like it, that don't mean any such thing.  Playing a couple of dance songs does not make a dj.  Now if a host was playing dance songs HALF of the night, THAT would make them half dj.  You keep trying to justify things for your mind that aren't true.  If karaoke dies because of a few dance songs being played a night, then it was time & obviously people aren't coming for karaoke anymore otherwise there would be no need to play music in the first place.  These kj's will need to evolve to what is being popular.  The ones that not going to survive are the ones that end up trying to keep something the way that the people DON'T want.  It will happen eventually, even to you.  It may not be today, tomorrow, next month or next year, but it will happen.    But since you already openly admitted you don't want to evolve to include dj music, then you'll be the first to go!
Live music venues are starting to take over karaoke clubs again up here.  You may be safe as your club is too small to handle live bands...at least we can only speculate as you can't/won't list where you play.

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[shadow=deepskyblue]I'm impressed, I've never met such a small mind inside such a big head before.[/shadow]

Tonight I will have 70-80 people in the bar.    About 50 at least will be non singers.   They will stay because they want to and they will have fun.    There will absolutely be NO dance/filler music played.    No DJ-o-k-e.     Do you know why?      Pure 100% Karaoke.   And I Little Dog, will be keeping everyone statisfied, entertained, singing, dancing and spending money.       Remember tonight is Tuesday.    They have a stage, I will be on the floor on the other end of the room.    I will use 3 cordless mikes.    The music will be nonstop.    There will not be any games played, no Bingo between songs.     No waiting betwen singers for someone to come up after I call their name.    No dead air.    No filler music.    No spotlights and disco balls.    No waiting to start until I have 10 singers lined up.    Every song played tonight will be sung by someone in the crowd.      Man, I'm doing this all wrong.


My karaoke business will not die, until I do.  It is very solid.    


I always have singers unless they leave to go to bed.   My singers have jobs.

Maybe they have to do it because the karaoke part of it sucks.    Just one possibility.

HMMMM.....I'm putting word overlays on my DJ/video music.  I AM THE KARAOKE GOD!!!!!

And which bar is that?  Where would that be again?  How will all those people find you?  You would think one with pure karaoke morals would want to advertise in as many places as possible to keep attracting the pure karaoke singers.  Or at the very least to shut those of us up who no longer believes a word you say.



Yep I will always have the business, it may not be working, but my business will never die, it just remains idle. 




Or maybe they wish they could hear a regular song & are going to somewhere else that plays them.

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[shadow=deepskyblue]I'm impressed, I've never met such a small mind inside such a big head before.[/shadow]

Yep that's one possibility you'd like to believe.

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[shadow=deepskyblue]I'm impressed, I've never met such a small mind inside such a big head before.[/shadow]

You aren't doing anything wrong. This is what has been successful for you.

Others are doing what has made them successful.

I know it is hard to understand it can be done differently and be successful because you have done so well doing it your way. But if you weren't doing so well I think you would be changing things to keep working. This is what has happened to others. It isn't because they are bad at what they do. It is because they are good at what they do and have learned to adapt to stay alive to a changing crowd.

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At least you are PROVEABLE!  You can back up what you say & show where you play.

Putting overlays on the videos would make having regular music ok because it would just be karaoke without anyone singing.  But I don't understand if he says he ALWAYS has singers, then why on Earth would he need to EVER play a karaoke song with the guide vocals & no one singing?

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[shadow=deepskyblue]I'm impressed, I've never met such a small mind inside such a big head before.[/shadow]

See BD, Babs gets it.  You do pure karaoke because you can & it still works.  Others interject music in because the pure karaoke approach doesn't work in their area anymore, it doesn't make them any less professional or anything else.

But than again, 99% of the people here can also prove where they play as well!

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[shadow=deepskyblue]I'm impressed, I've never met such a small mind inside such a big head before.[/shadow]

But do we really know The Big Dog is an actual host with an actual show where we can go to.  I think not.  Me thinks it's time for him to put up or go to the back of the kennel.

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I really tried to stay out of here!  I'm curious how you have no waiting between singers when you call their name, with the music non-stop and it's nothing but karaoke....Are you calling the next person while someone is still singing? Are you making your singers wait in line by your table, or are they all sitting at a table directly in front of you?

I know you're trying to prove a point, but I can't help but think you're exagerating trying to make yourself look like superman.

Where I do karaoke, my singers are usually the ones who request dance songs. It's usually done in the last hour of the show when everyone is relaxed and ready to cut loose. I started out doing straight karaoke music and quickly found that's just not going to work. Now there are some nights where it is non stop karaoke, where I'll gladly work overtime, but the majority of the time, folks just want something a little less serious. My show is on Friday nights. And like previously stated, Karaoke done on a week night has a better chance of staying "pure" karaoke, but less likely on a weekend.

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See that's just it, no one knows if he's real or not.  He claims he is, yet can't show anything other than a 6 year old schedule that we quickly pulled down...probably because it would have given away his real identity.  To me all that said was "Hey I worked 6 years ago, but can't show you that I do now!"  He talks a big talk, but can't walk the same walk!

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[shadow=deepskyblue]I'm impressed, I've never met such a small mind inside such a big head before.[/shadow]

My sysem has been sitting idle for a couple of months bad health etc But now Im out scouting.  Its hard now..Karaoke in northern co is all but dead due to the fact that hosts never bought any new music had the same ol drunks singing the same 3 songs over and over. People  gradually got tired of it.  Most now stay at home and sing on private systems, in fact I designed a few..

 So now its going to take more than a simple kj dj format (this thread is childish in comparison to the task and mute at best) to revitalize karaoke and I am talking 2 college towns UNC & CSU plus the community colleges.  A half a state .... Its going to take the maximum amount of energy both selling and putting on a show.. Right now I need a young good looking college gal to host....But dependable ones  are hard to find.. Maybe Babs would want to move out here...

But I guarantee you one thing Whatever happens I will have the most fun doing it...I could go down do Chuck an Gigi's hood and play ...... And see Melly on the way down........

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