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Lil Mizz Attitude @ Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:10 am wrote: Steven Kaplan @ Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:50 pm wrote: Just a thought...Somewhere someplace, there's a kid that decides they love the banjo and will be the next Bela Fleck, yet these kids aren't as common today,.. You know..... (here I go off on another story, LoL) I have 4 kids, and a various assortment of instruments. And I kinda did with my kids like my dad did with me and all my siblings. I taught them the basic guitar chords when they were little, and even if they don't know how to play something- I encourage them to pick up an instrument and join in whatever way they can. Zach- Can play guitar fairly well, he can play the fiddle very well (he took 4 years of lessons, but just doesn't care to play it), he plays mandolin some...... Cheyenne plays around with the guitar, fiddle, and she wants to learn bass and have that be "her instrument"...... Harley plays a few fiddle songs he's been taught, and a bit on mandolin, but he's tearing up the guitar. He plays alot of ACDC, Skynyrd, ZZ Top- he's just a natural on it, he has taught himself to read tabs. Then, my son Austin... he has tried to learn just about every instrument we have too. He can PLAY guitar, but he's never quite got it down very well, same with mandolin & fiddle. He kinda gave up, and I was like "Oh no, I'm gonna have a kid with no rythm whatsoever". THEN he decided he wanted to learn to play the banjo, just about a year ago. So my dad bought him one. I taught him two songs I've played since I was young. (No laughing here..... ) "Green Corn" and "Banjo in the Holler"... very old, but popular bluegrass banjo songs. He is dancing circles around any of us on banjo. He just...... found his instrument. I don't mean to imply he's the next Earl Scruggs, but as fast as he caught on to the rolls...... I definitely think he's gonna be a very good player. I just need someone to teach him. I do not know NEAR enough on Banjo to help him out. But it's funny, the way he didn't really take to any other instrument- even guitar- that he would adapt so well to banjo. Time will tell I guess, as to how good he'll get at it. He smokes me on the songs I taught him. But again, as I said..... I can "play" a few songs, but I'm NOT a Banjo player at all- I just never took to it, and never tried very hard either. I've thought about sending my kids to some of those camps.... ya know "banjo camp".... "guitar camp".... "fiddle camp". They have quite a few of them around, and actually alot of members of OTF are the instructors. But.... the banjo ones are a bit harder to find. Cause you're right Steven.... it's dying out kinda. As the old banjo players are leaving, they are not getting replaced by new, younger ones.
I can say from first hand observations that this is all true. Charmin has done a great job encouraging her kids to play music. It's really something to see in action! :) If you don't at least try to play along on a song, well there's lots of "gentle reminders" LOL that you really should be! Harley has tons of potential, he's a quick learner. Like any kid he's wants to learn the cool guitar riffs first, then he'll eventually get around to learning the whole song, but he'll get there! Cheyenne has a really good voice and once she get's a little more confidence, she'll be going strong too. I didn't know Cheyenne was that interested in learning the bass, cool! Austin does seem to have a knack for the banjo. Zach is a great guitar picker too --
but he's feeling a little too old, probably, to want to play along all the time. The phrase, "Mama do I have to?" pops up a lot. ![LOL LOL](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) He picks up the guitar sooner or later. Bottom line is they all really love music and playing it. In this day and age, It's quite the refreshing family sight to behold! ![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:49 am |
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Yeah, My mom started exposing us to the music thing when we were young... She taught piano, and was a pianist and artist when I was in the womb... My basinette {SP} or whatever those things with bar's are was next to the piano.... before I could talk, I was plopped on a piano bench...and my hands were taken, and made to push the thingies that made noise when you pushed them down..... I was encouraged to just push the keys whenever possible.... I don't recall, Just have slides of this...I wasn't even one.... Yet this backfired, at around three when my parents were at a bank applying for a mortgage I pushed a panic button on a bank manager's desk, and the cop's ended up running in, a freaked.... I crawled across the desk and pushed buttons and played with everything possible... I recall pushing the bank alarm.... Scared the crap out've me....the adults were annoyed.... I thought the noise from hitting the botton was something I was supposed to do.....it made a ringing sound, sort've like what happened when I hit the piano keys.... ![Shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
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I remember it vividly in fact; or at least as vividly as a kid that young can recall something... I was crawling all over the guys desk.... pushing and eating everything available.....then I saw this doorbell (I guess panic alarms looked like that in those days, and were located on the bank managers desk which was in a separate location).... I thought it was one of those toy things... How could I resist pushing it ? that's what buttons were for !!!! So the guy goes running into a stairwell and get's on an intercom I suppose, pushing other buttons, saying it wasn't real....and I'm following him around... I couldn't figure out how pushing the little toy caused such chaos.... I thought the whole thing was over-reacting to my playing...... In fact I tried to push more stuff.....Yet as I recall the guy told my mom to get me the hell out've his way or something, I suppose my mom was one of those parents who thought her little bratty kid was adorable.....Yet that idiot bank manager had a &8itty SOH....I was fascinated in the cops bullets..... those cool metal things in their belt looked like something I had to play with...they were really shiny and two cool colors and they were bright....I started touching the cops bullets.....There were so many cool toys in those days !!!!! Lot's of stuff to hit, push. and eat...... Life hasn''t been as much fun since !!!!
Quote: I once owned a mother of pearl lap slide guitar. They sound good through a little tube type distortion. I always liked trying to pick out David Lindley parts on old Jackson Browne songs.
Yeah, you were lucky enough to have mother of pearl....Most valuable thing like that I had in those days was an Ivory slide-rule...I let a kid I trusted borrow it, and never got it back....the &$() stole my dad's Ivory slide rule.... Most of my instruments are actual mother of toilet seat !!! None of that pearl crud...HEHEHEHE
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Odie @ Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:33 pm wrote: oops, wrong topic
No, no, no Odie........... you're supposed to say........... "Had to edit..." :D
Hey, btw Odie..... I just read an article out of the Statesman, a guy at Lonnie's work saved it and gave it to me a bit ago. Bela Fleck is gonna be in Portland June 27, at the Crystal Ballroom. I think I want to get tickets and go to this. You should go with. I think that's too awesome an opportunity to pass up. Go read it online- it's in the "Life" section. This guy is supposed to be amazing live on the banjo. Anyhow.... that's all. Just got a bit excited when I read it. :D :wave:
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:43 pm |
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This is music and musicians chat... Unless you were going to ask about college basketball or sumpin....what's off topic ???
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:10 pm |
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Don, something I found interesting regarding nervousness performing... I started really young, and at a real young age, I didn't see anyone cause the light's were in my eye's at Seton Hall.. After I found out how many people were watching I sort've freaked and didn't want to go back every again to audience stuff...as I got older the solo performances on stage playing piano at recitals even for as few as 10 people was TOUGH..... Violin solo stuff and duet stuff in a school auditorium freaked me out....and at 12-13 even playing school dances at the Jr high initially scared me, yet the informal dance environment quickly became very non-threatening to me...Yet orchestra and band was different... I played different instruments in school band, and orchestra...and I started getting stage fright when seated in the middle of a crescent type semi-circle on stage with 800 kids and teachers sitting there watching.. I felt trapped, and I couldn't burn off energy...I really felt exposed in the front center of an orchestra layout as a violinist, which was a reason I switched to bass, so I could stand by the wing.... Yet outdoor venues regardless of how huge NEVER bothered me....It's not really people I've ever feared, it's feeling trapped in front of them, and being elevated slightly while overlooking a huge open area...sort've dangling there with lights on you...weird....especially when the stage is high, and when you look out you see balcony rings....that's my idea of a nightmare even still....For a jazz thing ages ago I was at Lincoln center at the met...that SUCKED real bad !!!!! sort've acraphobic...Same way I could never stand in an open desert with nothing around me but horizon lines...I feel like I'll fall off the face of the earth, and have no protection, and have always had a tough time on a beach looking out seeing nothing but water and the horizon line meeting the water.... that creeps me out, always feel a need to run and have some protection around me....or something surrounding me hiding me.....Initially indoor rock venues were pretty tough too, especially ANYTHING concert type setting where people are just sitting there watching, and there's little movement...It almost got me paranoid...Indoor sports coliseums with really high ceilings and bleacher type slant seating upwards is pretty scarey, as are any performing art centers that have open area's and rings of balconies....they were the worst IMHO....yet if it's band type stuff and I can move around,. and feel like if I MUST leave, there's nothing between me and an escape route to privacy, I feel no fear....Even though I realizing I better not leave, as long as there's an unobstructed path between me, and a hiding place I feel at peace LMAO ...or if I can slip sort've around a stack and hide for abit, I have no fear.....It's formal situations such as orchestral seating, solo concert, accompaniment that would still freak me out, yet playing anything where I don't feel glued to one seat or standing point, I feel fine...Large venues that were outdoors I loved,,,, never really felt fear.... Yet the ALL indoor coliseums were always abit rugged....visually, and I think it was more of the open space that bothered me more than the peoples heads.....not sure.... yet different types of playing were so different.... I always loved playing in front of crowds...Yet panicked feeling trapped inside an orchestra formation on-stage....Rock tho,,,,,it;s just so different, I Feel in control I guess...dunno...maybe I just don't like classical that much ![LOL LOL](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) Yet accompanying a solo vocalist live is pretty scary ALWAYS,,,as would be a solo gig today,,,yet a blues band, I could get up there without caring who's out there and love it....weird I know, yet just how I am.. I just feel in control in that type setting
I think a nightmare would be being an operatic tenor like Pavoratti...can you imagine, standing their solo, hyperventillating.... and pulling out a paper bag to breath in ? WHat a thought....I'd think especially a vocalist when performing must get dizzy at times....same with wind players.... sax got me dizzy as does flute still...
String bass worked out well towards the end of classical tho...I felt the thing could support me, I could partially hide behind it, and we were always right next to stage wing
Big difference is in rock. with a band you can keep moving around and burn off adrenaline.....when seated still you can't
My gimmick initially especially before we'd start playing (when anticipatory anxiety rushes are at their worst) if they did exist at all....was to walk between stomps and amp, pretend to adjust a nob or two and face away..or move around on a keyboard bench arranging stuff, that way I could bend forward which seemed to help get blood to the head...just keep moving in some way though....movement helped burn off adrenaline....as if I was slightly tweaking something, picking something up, etc...or walking over to another musician and back...yet as long as I could move....I felt fine, Yet when playing the loud sound once we'd start sort've jammed out stimuli or displaced it for some weird reason loudness usually blanketed me I didn't even feel as visually obvious...can't explain it but it worked for me, and that's what mattered....It's strange that loud energetic music can almost serve as a blanket or distraction for visual things. yet the louder it was, the less visible I felt...seriously....Sort've cancelled stuff out in some bizarre way..
I guess that's an advantage of having a neurological condition called synesthesia ![LMAO LMAO](./images/smilies/emot-LMAO.gif)
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Those of you that have a decent ear for music and can very quickly learn something you like without music, when you hear a song, and are absorbing it, Does the process of reproducing that which you just heard seem only aural to you ? Do you just hear a composition you like ? or are there more senses involved ? More dimension that just hearing ?
I see music.... it appears layered, and visual, in dimensions...it appears very organized...I see the movement, and can feel it too.... for that reason it doesn't really seem abstract when I quickly learn something by ear.... Strange how it works.... I never questioned whether that's an aspect of being a synesthete, or if that's a trait artists that absorb and recreate develop...
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For the last 50 years or so, guitar and keyboard instruments have pretty much dominated as lead instruments in popular music (Western world anyway). What kind of musical instrument is still out there or yet to be invented that could take center stage? If it's yet to be invented, what could it possibly be like? Is it just going to be guitar, keyboards, samplers and an occasional violin, horn or woodwind instrument forever?
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:37 am |
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Probably some type helmet you wear with electrodes, or some type of receiving apparatus that is able to pick up electrical brain activity and transfer it into soundwaves based upon thought. So I can be sitting here thinking of a song, orchestration, or sound-type, and some type of que would enable the thought's to be transferred into audio which the helmet transmit's to a wireless amplification system, or even contains an internal headset that can produce many types of sound dimension... Who know's, perhaps the person can even visualize certain things due to patch placement over certain parts of the head and electronic transmission. Several musicians can even jam this way too....With headsets Interfaced over a computer they can interactively think, (produce and transmit) compositions as a group without leaving their computer, or vocalizing.. There'll likely be software that can encrypt electrical brain activity. Yet to protect a person privacy of course, SOME type of devices will need to be implimented... such as scrambling programs outside of the individual's willing range of transmission. There will be little need for actual instruments and the individual actually have to produce audible sound himself... except for "old times sake".
Yet this will be long after I've marketed my _____________________ @TM (can't say yet).... I have alot of work still !
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:00 pm |
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If I'd been out 'till quarter to three
would you lock the door
Strange to reflect we
June get to see
McCartney 64
McCartney is listed in The Guinness Book Of Records as the most successful composer in popular music history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_McCartney
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Also in rock news:
(Courtesy of Don for PM'img me)
Stones' Keith Richards hospitalized in New Zealand after falling from tree
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2 hours, 2 minutes ago
WELLINGTON, N.Z. (AP) - Did he think he was Jumping Jack Flash?
A vacation in Fiji was certainly no gas for Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards who had to be airlifted to a hospital in New Zealand after he fell out of a palm tree and was later involved in a jet ski crash, news reports said Sunday.
"Earlier this week, Rolling Stone Keith Richards suffered a mild concussion while on holiday in Fiji," Fran Curtis, a spokeswoman for the veteran rock band, said in a statement.
"Following treatment locally and as a precautionary measure he flew to a hospital accompanied by his wife Patti for observation."
No further details on the 62-year-old British rocker's condition were immediately available.
New Zealand's Sunday Star-Times newspaper reported Richards fell out of a coconut tree and suffered a serious headache but he still had the energy to jump on a jet ski - and have another accident.
The paper provided no details on the jet ski crash but quoted Suva Private Hospital spokesman Dr. Uzzel Kanti Dhar saying Richards was admitted to hospital in the Fijian capital Thursday last week, the same day he plunged from the palm tree.
He was reported airlifted to Auckland's Ascot Hospital later that day but duty manager Steve Kirby refused to confirm early Sunday that Richards was a patient there, citing the hospital's privacy policy.
Richards and his wife had been staying at the exclusive Wakaya Club resort, which occupies a small palm-fringed Fijian island, when the reported palm tree and jet ski mishaps happened.
Salesi Finau of the resort said Richards and his wife recently stayed at the resort for about a week but would not say when they left.
Finau also refused to comment on the reports Richards had an accident.
"I am sorry, I do not have any comment on that," he said.
The Rolling Stones played a concert in Wellington on April 18 as part of their A Bigger Bang world tour.
The band's website said the Stones' next scheduled concert is late May at the Olympic Stadium in Barcelona, Spain, followed by 34 more dates across Europe.
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On the Net:
The Rolling Stones: www.rollingstones.com
Keith Richards: www.keithrichards.com
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(this guy does alot for a 62 year old)
First thing I thought of is that he's lucky it's only a mild concussion.... If he broke his wrist, that'd be the end of music for him. Doubtful at that age he could regain mobility to play guitar again..
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Steven Kaplan @ Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:37 am wrote: Probably some type helmet you wear with electrodes, or some type of receiving apparatus that is able to pick up electrical brain activity and transfer it into soundwaves based upon thought. So I can be sitting here thinking of a song, orchestration, or sound-type, and some type of que would enable the thought's to be transferred into audio which the helmet transmit's to a wireless amplification system, or even contains an internal headset that can produce many types of sound dimension... Who know's, perhaps the person can even visualize certain things due to patch placement over certain parts of the head and electronic transmission. Several musicians can even jam this way too....With headsets Interfaced over a computer they can interactively think, (produce and transmit) compositions as a group without leaving their computer, or vocalizing.. There'll likely be software that can encrypt electrical brain activity. Yet to protect a person privacy of course, SOME type of devices will need to be implimented... such as scrambling programs outside of the individual's willing range of transmission. There will be little need for actual instruments and the individual actually have to produce audible sound himself... except for "old times sake".
Yet this will be long after I've marketed my _____________________ @TM (can't say yet).... I have alot of work still !
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You know this is actually a really cool idea and not that far fetched at all. There must be some neuro-something-or-other-scientists working on an idea like this already. I'd never want to give up the old school instruments but this would be an
interesting idea. I wonder what a song in the key of "headache" sounds like?
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Steven Kaplan @ Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:00 pm wrote: If I'd been out 'till quarter to three would you lock the door Strange to reflect we June get to see McCartney 64 McCartney is listed in The Guinness Book Of Records as the most successful composer in popular music history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_McCartney
It's sad to think that there's only two Beatles left alive. Maybe Paul should do an
updated, revised When I'm Sixty Four -- what the heck. People often criticize Paul
for putting out so many "light and fluffy" pop songs. But the guy can't help it if he's happy most of the time. LOL
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McCartney although perhaps guilty of some "tacky" songs, also produced great stuff like "Maybe I'm amazed", and within the 4 years that the Beatles were around, some amazingly versatile stuff.. Also the first few years he was solo (pre-Wings) some great stuff on the album with Marachino Cherries on it, or his first Solo Album.. He's from a different era of music. He composed Ballad's, I suppose by today's standards, Anything "Classic" Rock/Ballad Genre might be considered "bland" "Slow" "Insipid"...etc. Especially if it's Slow Ballad. It's Sad, but the reality is, MANY kid's today think anything pre-80's Rock that Isn't along the lines of Black Sabbath, Iron Butterfly, etc is too boring. I suppose it's not about melodic content to some. Yet as a musician who today get's bored with certain Chopin stuff, I suppose I can understand how we get used to what we are around... I liked Franz Liszt, but the slow classical bored me... ![LOL LOL](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) .
What's with Ringo these days ? Is he just doing obscure TV commercials in some remote area or something ? I've not seen, nor have I heard ANYTHING with his name.. Also Julian Lennon ? He wrote some great stuff mid-80's.. NOw what's up with him ?
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Ringo still puts out albums and goes on tour every so often with his allstar band.
He'll go on Letterman or Conan every so often to promote an album or tour.
Once again, he can't help it if he's basically a happy guy (especially these days) either. Here's Ringo's discography:
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/kirkl ... /ringo.htm
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Thanks Don, Haven't heard anything of him since the late 70's.
Who currently owns the copyright to the Beatles material ? I forgot all about that M Jackson stuff ages ago, yet didn't he sell or something ? He couldn't have bought the copyright after the 18 year period could he have ? Not sure. I have no idea what he actually owned, or had right's to... No clue.. Yet if McCartney wanted to do a different rendition of "When I'm 64", Who'd he have to go thru ? I'm wondering if the Beatles songs are protected and how this would work now..
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Did Ringo sing with the Beatles ? I really don't recall. First song I recall hearing his voice on was "It don't come easy", which was his first solo hit.. Wasn't Harrison doing guitar work on that ? Not sure.
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Steven Kaplan @ Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:25 pm wrote: Did Ringo sing with the Beatles ? I really don't recall. First song I recall hearing his voice on was "It don't come easy", which was his first solo hit.. Wasn't Harrison doing guitar work on that ? Not sure.
I thought Ringo sang "With a Little Help From My Friends"...
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