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Agreed !

Yeah, tell me about it!!

After a horrible lung infection I had last year, my breath control went out the window. I've never really gotten it back like it was before. Just takes practice I guess (which I haven't really been doing). :p

 :whistle:

heheh

Actually, it's ok with me either way. I, of course, really like the idea of people having the opportunity to 'dialogue' on critiques.. it allows the submittor of the song to ask questions about the critiques and get answers (other than the limited format of the comment sections), but I can live with it either way.

I have to disagree, I don't like this idea at all.

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~Suzanne Lanoue~

Ugh, that sounds awful....I hope you are all healed. We forget how important all of our body parts are to singing, especially the lungs.  I notice myself that, since I am not singing every day the way I did in college, it is much harder for me to sing.  You do have to practice and the muscles need their workout.

Also it's important to rest when you are sick, and not sing....

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I think a panel is a horrible idea, but if you're going to do it, making it separate makes sense.

Here is why I think it's a horrible idea.  

1) Just because you can sing, it doesn't mean you actually KNOW anything or you can listen to other people and critique well.  I have had some pretty bad voice teachers who were excellent singers themselves.  Singing comes naturally to some people, so that doesn't mean they know how to listen or how to critique.  So if you're going to have a panel, it should consist of people who actually have some professional or academic training/background.

2) I think making it anonymous is a bad idea because then we won't know what kind of background the judges have.  People who want to be the judges should submit their qualifications and then we should vote on them.  That seems more fair to me.

3) I really doubt you will get many qualified people with enough time to do this.

4) I think it will spoil the fun of the site too much and cause a lot more hurt feelings.

I think all of the complaining is really stupid (sorry to be blunt).  Everyone has their own criteria for judging and that's just fine.  Stop worrying about every little point, number, or comment.  It's all just for fun.  If the comments or ranking help you, great.  If they don't, just ignore them.

I think some people are trying to make this site more than it is.  If you really need detailed critique on your subs, take voice lessons.  The great thing about voice lessons is that the teacher is completely objective.  Their job is to make you sing better so they will be honest with you.

If you just want number rankings to make yourself feel superior to others, then that is really sad.  Go out to karaoke; the applause will make you feel way better than getting a "10" here.  Stop putting so much import into it and just take it for what it is.

I am all for critiquing and being honest about it, but far too many people here worry too much about who's being "honest" and who's being "mean", etc.  I think most people are doing the best they can.  You can't force everyone to feel or think the same way or agree on what is "average" or how to critique.  Some people will always have something to complain about or try to micro-manage everyone.  Some people will always have their feelings hurt.  How about spending the time listening to as many songs as you can and leaving comments instead of stirring up all this brouhaha?  And if you don't like it, how about startingyour own separate site just for critiquing?

I'm not mad or anything, it just seems like a lot of silliness over absolutely nothing...

Hope I didn't offend.

Just my two cents!

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~Suzanne Lanoue~

Yeah, I'm actually afraid that I ended up with a certain amount of scar-tissue, or some sort of lasting damage after that bout. It ended up in pneumonia.. lasted for months. Anyway, don't feel too sorry for me.. I can still hold a note fairly well, but I used to really have a good lung capacity before and I miss it. I'm hoping my lungs heal eventually!! Could also partly be loss of muscle control in my diaphragm.. hard to tell really. *shrugs*

Absolutely... I've heard that argument over and over 'so-and-so isn't a great vocalist so s/he doesn't know what they're talking about.. blah blah'. What a load of crap.



Vote? Vote?!? How am I ever gonna get on the panel if we vote???



Actually, I doubt a 'panel' will ever be implemented, for the reasons you've pointed out and others, but if it did.. voting for the panelists would be a good idea.. probably...  :headscratch:



big "BINGO" there... we're talking about folks donating their time and being expected to give critiques on a certain number of songs (probably every day). Not likely.

And that's MY  :2cents: on it.. for now anyway... heheh

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[shadow=tomato]If you want your significant other to pay attention to EVERY word you say::
  TALK IN YOUR SLEEP   [/shadow]  

Slanou.... you obviously didn't read my previous posts... because I adressed many of the things you stated.  If you go back and READ them... you'll see that "qualifications" were to be listed ..... and that a person DIDN'T HAVE to be a good vocalist to be on the panel.  Many other things "count".... in fact... should count FAR MORE than if the person can sing.  

First off, my name is Suzanne.

Secondly, I did read every post in this topic.  My comments were replying to everyone here, not just you.  Someone mentioned about the panel being anonymous. If a person is anonymous, how will we see their qualifications? And besides, this is the internet, where anyone can lie (and often does).  So you would get some people who just want to be on the panel to be a big shot or to insult people (be the next Simon).

And, who decides who is qualified? Even if we all vote on it, it won't be that fair (and if our VOTES are fair, then why aren't our CRITIQUES fair enough??).

Respect & Consideration ... are things all people should be given.  The current system ..... FAILS MISERABLY..... !!!!!

I think it depends on who you ask and what you think the forum is here to accomplish.  I think it's fine the way it is.  There will ALWAYS be people who get upset, get their feelings hurt, or like to complain. You can't please everyone.

I am sure its no one's intent to hurt... or be rude... or whatever ... but that IS what happens.  I've seen it since I've gotten here.  It won't change... until the RANKING feature is GONE ..... the "competition" i.e., TOP TEN LIST ... is GONE .... and the Critiques are valued.  Unfortunately... too many have already been alienated to even consider what is being written.  

I've been on too many message boards, forums, groups, and email lists to name, and I've been on the net since 94.  People always get angry, upset, their feelings hurt...they leave, they come back, etc.  If you get rid of the ranking, you will alienate people who like it!


I still believe... a Critiquer's Corner (FORUM)... is a VERY good idea.  Perhaps there won't be enough "qualified folks with time"... but it sure seems there are plenty now... on a daily basis.... out there critiquing that at leasst THINK they are!!!

That is fine, make it separate but leave the rest the way it is.

if you do, you might, instead of having a panel, have a list of criteria, a kind of checklist, that people can use when they critique.

I still think, if you want such detailed criticism, you should just take voice lessons.
Hearing someone on a recording is not a true judge of their voice, anyway.  Most people sound very different live.


I don't know.... maybe Im just having a bad day .... but I feel so FRUSTRATED.

Like I was saying, it ain't that big of a deal...

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~Suzanne Lanoue~

Hey Babe, take it easy.. hehehh
I know nothing is aimed toward me here, ('cause ya love me... heheh) but I'm not so sure you're being picked on either. Maybe you ARE just having a bad day. Happens to me too.

I DO like the idea of a 'Critiquer's Corner'. I'm not sure how well it would go over (not only would people have the opportunity to discuss their rankings and such, but people would have the ability to really hash it out, and we all know how nasty THAT can get.. ), but I would be willing to use it and I'm sure many others of us would as well. I have a feeling it would become quite the popular spot.

I'm not too sure about the 'panel' idea, but if it happens, it happens. I can certainly see the merit in it, of course this place wouldn't be as much fun *for me* if I didn't have the opportunity to get in there and help people figure out how to improve their vocals... it's also a learning experience for me when I am able to do that.

It's especially encouraging, when the people I have critiqued come back and let me know that what I've said was 'on the mark', they agree with me and (sometimes) that I've actually helped them improve. I would miss that if it were gone...

I particularly like the idea (already in the works, i believe) of a rating system involving different areas to rate, such as 'pitch, timing, emotion'... etc. That also has some issues to work out, because for instance, certain areas should count more than others.

Anyway, things will probably continue to evolve here to a certain degree. Heck, no one can deny that this is already the best danged karaoke/singing website on the www.

Take it easy Girly  :hug:  :hug:

Seby.. yes I DO love you... NO I wasn't directing my ideas at anyone "specifically" ... and NO I don't feel picked on.  My frustration comes for the fact ... that even when alternatives are given... some people just don't want change.  Well.... again.... I think we need to consider the "majority" .... and I can tell you... 'cause I am here every single day, as you are .... that people are just sooooo fed up.. and upset by this stuff... that it "is" a "big deal".



OK... so no panel, but a seperate area.  All can participate and critique by posting a request in that forum and then those who "wish" to critique can do so.  I would be just fine with that.  Do I think its BEST.... no.. but do I think its BETTER and MORE LIKELY to be what happens... yes!



Wellllll.... as long as the critiques stick to that stuff.. and I still strongly believe.. are not IN THE FACES of those not wanting to see them... then I think that too will be a good change.  I've been advocating for "criteria" since I got here.



I agree with you.. its a great site... but has its issues.  There are SOLUTIONS.. but people will have to accept change and adapt to it.  

And... I am taking it easy.... I just got a cute PM ... and it made me smile.  I'm just "peachy" ... to quote a good friend.

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[shadow=tomato]If you want your significant other to pay attention to EVERY word you say::
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C'mere CC.... lemme rub your neck and shoulders for a while....  :hug:

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I'd like to add on my part, that I don't support any change to the critique system that is in use at the moment. Sorry CC, I'm sure you wouldn't need any more people who think like that But the truth is that I think the current system works very well just as it is.

What I'd like to have improved is to get lots more statistics, like how many subs today from how many different / new subscribers, what was the average rank today, compared to previous days, months etc. That would be interesting to me. Of course that data would only be available to members, not all Internet.

Another thing is that a member should be able to edit replies, just like the critiquers can edit the feedbacks they've given. This way some misspelling and misunderstandings with long-term effect could be avoided.

jee

I basically agree...sometimes I think I am being mean when I'm trying to be helpful, not always sure if someone who says "rank me and critique me" really wants to hear it, you know? Sometimes I feel bad.  Sometimes it's hard to say anything nice if they totally suck or didn't learn the song well.  

Also, it's frustrating when you get someone who's really good and they never want you to critique or rank them

I have listened to a ton of songs in the past few days and it was SO exhausting!!
Oh, and  I wish more people would comment on my songs, I hate putting one out there and only getting a few comments and/or no rankings but not a big deal, I try not to be greedy

There sure are some fantastic singers on here!!

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~Suzanne Lanoue~

As a new member to this forum, I came across this subject and here are my thoughts. My first sub was sent in requesting critique and I appreciate the favorable reposes. I realize the sub was far from quality grade (being a live karaoke version) but still a rating on it offered valuable information. As mentioned already in a previous post, knowing where the flats or breathing errors are is not as important as knowing what general area should be focused on more. The overall rating benefited me too in knowing what level such a recording is regarded, which serves as a guide for future works.

Otherwise, I expect to here the good and bad in a full critique. To me, the whole idea of this site, and singing, is to enjoy the music. Requesting to be critiqued is a useful tool to improve the performance. I'm sure everyone has the to desire to constantly improve and knowing where to focus is a tremendous help.

My next few subs, all being karaoke tapes, will be sent in just for fun. Judging by the fine quality of singing I've heard so far on this site, I'm sure there has been a lot of benefit obtained from being critiqued and I appreciate the time it takes to offer it.