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Now THAT's an EXCELLENT question Kappy I have never thought about it- I was yold years ago that the normal range of notes used in speaking is anywhere from 6 to 10 notes- I also "THINK" but not sure that I heard somewhere that the normal person who attempts to sing shows about a 1.5 octave range- That would be interesting to find out if the "12 notes" the normal person can sing are also the same they use when they speak. ..I went and tested and for me- my speaking range is the lower third of my singing range. **** your question made me test and I have to say that what I consider to be the "juiciest" part of my singing range IS directly in what is also my speaking range. I'd love to hear if that is the case with the other singers out there.

PS someone sent me a few of your songs and the one **I** thought suited you best was " a little help from my friends" based on how comfortble you seemed with the bulk of the song- I would guess that it falls right about the upper end and a little above that of what is your normal speaking range. That sound right to you?

PS- we are ALL guilty of being babies at times.  :whistle:  No clique here..just a few of the people trying to be honest with you. I think we ALL have the same ultimate goal of fun and educational threads in the forum. But everyone- not just you- needs to be able to take critisism. I was told that sometimes I come across as "full of myself" .all I can say is I "try" but I'm sure that many still think I do. I hear you asking for honesty in your subs...but I also think honesty and open communication are important between people trying to talk in the forums. Again - I apologize if my honesty made you feel attacked- critisism does bring out the defensive instinctc in most people...and wether you are talking about singing, critiquing a sub, or just chatting- you need to be able to have others share their feelings with you. Murlin was just trying to tell you how he felt...he was just more blunt in the way he phrased it. I got similarly chewed out when I posted something months ago like it was "the law" and it wasn't. This time is was just your turn. No harm, no fault...and certainly no hard feelings. We all human- we all have emotions and we all get ticked and or frustrated with each other at times. Thats life...you bring up some great points to these forums.. and I shouldn't have called you a windbag...I should have gracefuly told you that if you cut to the chase and just said the basics in easy to read terms- more people would appreciate your input. Hope you are over being ticked at me...Yeah I deserved it- but so did you...and I'm certainly over it...I hope you and everyone on here has a fantastic holiday and I'll see you guys when I get back after the new year.

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THank you SO much !!  This IS something I can use..  I seem to do best with  Beatle- type songs,  I suppose my more comfortable range falls around those types of ballads..   What I found PERSONALLY, is songs that allow me to sing at around Bb to D  (middle C area) are VERY comfortable for me.. So I guess I'd for now consider that to be my comfort range.  In time, I'd like to be able to build the strength to sing higher, but I'm finding in terms of COMFORT area or my own useful range (for now)... Just that little area is fine.

Interesting side-note.  Paul McCartney sings alot in that area BUT... the guy REALLY shoots into higher registers too that make SO many of his songs brutal IMHO.. I think John Lennon sings higher than usual in Jealous Guy too... Love that song but it's HIGH !!!

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

very interesting tangent you guys are going off on...my speaking voice is low unless I make a concious effort to temper it...maybe that is why my singing voice or the comfort zone of is low

Nice to see that all is back on track  :hug:

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

An interesting thing happened to me when I tested this.  I tried this a few times actually because somebody at one point mentioned, "Don't try for such a contrived high register, relax and try to sing around your natural talking range".. So I tried to measure my natural talking range in terms of rough pitch.  The mistake I made was to sit down at the piano and play a note first.. I wasn't able to locate my natural talking range with a relative pitch in my memory in hopes of pitch matching for some weird reason. I either dropped my talking voice, or raised it since I was "aware" of it.. I think in order to do this.  I'll have to listen to my answer machine (also contrived of course)  or a playback message with me talking.. For some reason, certain things when I'm aware of them.. change.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

see Murlin hon this should prove that YOU are not the only one he ignores  LMAO

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

i have an extremely high speaking voice almost sounding like a girl yet when i sing it's low....unless i sing high then it's hmmmmm high, but then again i'm not talking when i sing, nor am i singing when i talk, so i'm not sure what all this means....

i don't know what my range is but i feel the key to good singing is to stay within ur range no matter what it is....if it's 2 octaves then by golly let it be the best 2 octaves u have....

seeing as i lost my falsetto as a child while riding a horse bareback, r better yet...bareA--....coming down reallyyyyyy hurt....butt that's another story...i think i over worked it....either way i can't count that...bye

Well.  Would you rather have a voice like a guy ?  Come-on, Seriously.. What do you expect ! Besides you do gender benders so well, NOBODY can tell !!




Exactly my point !   It's a "guy thing" !!!!  always wear pants while riding horses !  Soon you'll be able to get falsetto out the wazoo !!!!!

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Billy. at least for male voices, this is how *I* have always done this..

Let's say for now.. You have a very strong solid singing range from E below middle C to the C an octave above middle C...  Let's assume above that you really have VERY little you can sing, but similar to many males, you can jump into the falsetto register where you have a good solid one octave falsetto range and CAN sing within the falsetto register.

For useful purposes I would say that you have a useable range from about E below middle C singing upwards about a consecutive octave.. Which is about a 1 1/2 octave strong range AND in addition to that you can also sing an additional octave in the falsetto register..

That's how I'd break it down.  As I stated MY lowest to highest notes span a broad 4+ octaves, MY ACTUAL useable singing range is under two and a half octaves (even INCLUDING falsetto register)..

Since for some of us figuring out where we can sing comfortably and the developing of our singing range is an ongoing process  which even extreme lows and highs might vary from morning to night for some of us, or with warmups how hydrated we are expand, how we feel, our experience etc.. It's USEABLE range *I believe* is important, and not the broadest definition of range.  THAT is what is important to ME.. For me to say "In the broadest sense" my low to high notes span 4 octaves, when I can only sing bits and pieces within that range and actually have NO ability singing an octave and a half of that full span, serves no practical purpose, it DOES sound pretty cool to say it, sure.. but other than that, I can sing what I can sing... THAT to me is useful or useable range.. It's the area I CAN sing that falls within the broadest sense of the term "Range".. There is a segment of the male first tenor singers (Highest tenors) also known as Counter-tenors, and some say they have a steady range of tenor into falsetto, whether the transition is so smooth it's tough to detect, or they truly do have that range.. I think in THAT case they can perhaps boast claim to consecutive singing range of their respective registers.. Not sure how THAT is viewed...  This is my understanding.. I can back it with literature if anybody REALLY wishes for it..

I'm not sure about many of the female voices and I'm sure different genres have different concepts too... I'm not refuting ANYBODY who says they have any amount of range however because I can't ( assuming it falls within a REASONABLE area of what human vocal chords can do).. I need to hear it and form my own determination, "broadest sense" of range is easy to establish,  "Useable of useful range is tougher to often establish", but IMHO that's what matters, I know for ME it does so I would always distinquish as a singer..

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

I think the subject that kappy brought up is worth starting a new thread for so I'm gonna

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