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Where you at?  Kind of hard to "bring it on" when you are afraid to list your locations.

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Nah you don't need to bring anything like that, if he would be game (which of course he wouldn't ), just bring in the proper power 1 extra amp for the subs would do it, & crossover connected to his own system & then eq the room - difference between his non-provable theory & tried & true facts would be difference between night & day!

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The world is full of skeptics and non believers.

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I have some questions about EQ settings.

What is the recommended channel EQ setting for mic input?  Do you boost the mid?

And... what is the correct channel EQ setting for acoustic guitar with Fishman pickup?

Peace to everyone...

There is not really a recommended magical setting that just works for every microphone. There are too many variables that have to be taken into account, such as the mic itself, the spakers, the room, the crowd, the style of music, system EQ, etc.  

My rules of thumb for working with EQ settings:

1. Start with all settings in the middle.
2. Us EQ sparingly
3. Tame the peaks first by turning various bands down.
4.  Only after you have lowered frequencies that are too loud, boost those that are  too quiet.

Although some will disagree, I EQ to achieve the sound I want to here from certain pieces of equipment.   My microphones are Eqed to the sound I want to here from them and my machines are EQed to the sounds I want to hear from them.

Since every piece of equipment has a different natural EQ, you will have to listen and make the adjustments to your ear.

BD, are you saying that a room has no effect on sound fom a PA system, so why do you even have an EQ?  (OOPS forgot you use t for a preamp)

You say it is to adjust each peice of equipment, but that can be done with the channel EQs (twistys), and therfor a seprate EQ is unnecessary, by your standards.  Even if you used a sepertat eq to adjust for each peice of equipment, you would need several EQs or one adjustment on the EQ would change the sound of all devices.

It is true that you EQ your system to achieve a "sound" that you want .
A sound that sounds Crisp , Clear and Powerful.   Many variables go into producing that "certain sound"

Your Microphone , Your Amplifier, Your Mixer, Your Speakers !
It is probably true that if all settings remained the same your system would produce the same sound over and over again.

But there is no denying that the ACOUSTICAL make up of the room would make your ear HEAR a different sound in every different room.

Big Dog, Rest assured that while I admire your staunch adherence to what works for you, I must agree with the others that I think you are pompous, overbearing and obnoxiously ingrained in your opinion on the methods which you use for EQ.

That said, I am glad that what you are doing works well, for you, but as for myself, I will stick to the laws of physics and acoustics and custom EQ my system for each venue in which I play, as do most professionals.

As for you others?  Why engage in the art of necrohippoflaggellation.  We all KNOW he is right, in his own mind, whether he is in his right mind, however will remain a question to be pondered.

Casue I need to build up my post count!!!!!  LOL  LOL  LOL

Point taken... Carry on!

You all agree that every piece of equipment has it's own natural EQ?    (Resonance, voice, acoustic response)

I Have used the Twisties to adjust the individual channel EQ settings and I have a master 32 band EQ adjusted for the entire system.

Now I want you all to listen to what you keep repeating.

You are telling me that every room makes a difference in the sound.    WHY?   And exactly What sounds different?

There is only one thing that sounds different.    It's what you hear, the music.     So when you all "EQ" the room, what are you changing and why?     You are changing the way the music sounds.     How?   With the EQ settings.     WHY?     Because all the songs sound too bassy or too tinny, right?

After listening to thousands of songs, I have set my EQ settings to where 99% of the songs sound right in every room.    So if they all sound good (not too bassy or too tinny) from room to room, why do I have to change anything?      I don't care if you don't believe me.   I have done it and it works.

You have to keep changing your EQ settings, because your system does not sound good.  :shock:   Right?

So tell me who has a better sounding system?    

You have to keep making changes to the way your system sounds all night long, night after night?      

That makes me nuts?????  :whistle:  LMAO


Mine sounds good night after night and room after room.       Set it and forget it.  :O

Becuase of ROOM ACOUSTICS!!!!  This is a fact, something your mind can't seem to grasp.  EVERYTHING in a room affects the sound.  An empty room is going to sound completely different than a room full of furnature, or people.  Materials a room is built from are going to alter sound, a completely cemented room is going to have different tonal qualities than a completely wooden room- wood will absorb more sound than cement.  A glass room will sound different than either.  Curtains covering a glass window will sound different than a glass window without a curtain.  Ceiling placements play a factor, ceiling heights that is, & the material that a ceiling is made of.  Carpeted or not will play a factor.  
ALL of these things put together WILL alter the overall sound in a room.  What works in that completely empty cement room, will NOT sound the same in that wooden, carpeted, low ceiling room full of people, it will sound completely different which is why you eq for the room.



Yes that is right, but a song that may sound too bassy or tinny in one room, may sound perfectly fine in another, I know YOU have never experienced this, but 99.9% of everyone else has.  But also as people fill up a room, acoustics are going to change once again, which means some slight eq adjustments.



No I do not believe you one bit.  It's impossible.  I can see you setting the 32 band up once per night & adjusting the channel eq's (twistys) per song, but you claim you don't even do that.   I haven't found a night yet where 1 setting would work for every song - I have settings that are close, but most will need some sort of adjustment, even if it's a slight tweak.



Actually my system sounds pretty good without any main eq'ing, I eq out bad frequencies, which as you have pointed out from my previously posted pic that it is ALMOST flatlined which means there is not much eq'ing for that room that is needed, except for a couple problem frequencies that any room can get.  


This topic is going nowhere.  I think we may wrap this one up pretty soon!

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Bogdog!  What part of necrohippoflaggellation (beating a dead horse, if I must translate for you) don't you understand?


I refuse to rehash what other, experienced professionals have already explained.  Accept that you dont' get it (or attend some classes for audio production at your local artsy fartsy college), and lets move on to another dead horse to beat.  This one is starting to have a rank odor about it.

*rolls eyes* It goes deeeper than just the way the music sounds, and is often MUCH more subtle than bassy vs. tinny.

 Goody for you!  Thanks for sharing this, but haven't you already said it numerous times?

 WRONG. Even with all EQ set in the middle or bypassed, my system sounds VERY good in any room I set it up in (better than most, I assure you).  The thing is that I resuse to settle for very good sound, when I can have better.  There is no compromise and no such thing as a universal setting that gives me the perfection I seek every time I set up somewhere. It is great that you have found a compromise that is acceptable to you.  I refuse do that, though, and others here,  apparently agree with me.

I venture to say that those of us who are a bit more meticulous will have more accurate and pleasing sound.



Actually, only minor changes after a sound check at the beginning of a gig, and those are almost automatic and second nature.  You make it sound like twisting a knob or moving a slider occasionally is a chore. Are you THAT out of shape?



I refuse to speculate as to your sanity (or lack thereof) or any potential causes  of such mental afflictions.

 As I said above, for some of us, good (or even very good) isn't good enough.  Set it and forget it? Maybe I take that approach with my alarm clock, but for a public performance, I demand better for my customers, whrgther they are karaoke singers, or local bands.

Now.  Can we move and and agree that you are right?  Your stuff DOES sound good--to you and your customers.  However, there are those of us who demand better than a compromising "good", and we will still tweak all night, if the room requires it, so that we can sell an excellent show rather than settling good.

*steps of of his soapox*

Hey everyone BD is right.  The room has nothing to do with sound.  I mean whether I go in a house that is full of furniture or the same house is empty and I talk, it all sounds the same.  So the room has nothing to do with sound.

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I hope everyone caught the sarcasm in my post.  I know BD will not be able to figure it out.  Of course he doesn't realize that when he is adjusting those little "twisties" that he is in reality adjusting the eq.   You know the highs, the mids, and the lows.

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I actually meant the EQ setting for the channel, not the entire mix.  This would be the twisties marked hi, mid, and low on the channel.

I have my EQ for the entire mix flat, and I adjust it accordingly to taste... A little salt, pepper, here and there and BAM!  Ooops... This is a karaoke forum.  Sorry...

I add a little cayenne, too, but I am accused of occasionally running my mix a bit hot.

Working on your points too????  LOL  LOL  :hi5:

Who, me? *innocent grin*