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I don't remember alot about the sizes these are made in, yet when I played int he orchestra it couldn't have been a full-sized string bass in HIgh School, and Jr High.. The full sized string bass is HUGE...  I assume your bass viol was either 3/4 size or 1/2 size ?  At 16 I was 6 feet, and I wasn't comfortable on a full-sized string bass... I need to look up the specs on those now-adays... I think a full-sized bass is over 7 feet ?????  Lugging mine around in school we had to have the thing laying across the back seat, with the window down, and the scroll would be out the window....


Don, Do you recall the earlier 70's Fender Bassman, and Bandmaster cabs ?  Both the 2x12 and 2x15 cabs broke many a car door lock, and ripped upholstry trying to get the thing angled in....

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I had to check with my dad's record collection for this one. Here's some old Dixieland artists to check out -
Cap'n John Handy, Pete Fountain, Dukes of Dixieland, Stan Rubin and His Tiger Town Five, Lizzie Miles and Sharkey's Kings of Dixieland, Kid Ory, Monte Ballou - The Castle Jazz Band.  There are lots of others too.  This is old, old stuff dating as far back to the late 1800's.  Free form jazz, flatted this and that chords, dissonance, bee-bop, swing, stuff that makes some people cringe when they hear it  LOL , all came later. Seems like as different instruments took that center stage, different variances of jazz were formed.  The banjo and tuba left, guitar and string bass came in, sax came in....  I'm sure you get the picture.  A local bass player that I admired once told me that once you understand Dixieland, you'll know the proper groove a bass part should be based on.  At the time, I scratched my head and said "OK, I'll take your word for it."

 LMAO


Yeah, many times I've nodded politely, and snuck out the door....




Yeah, like parallel movement, or parallel 5th's, enharmonicity  :shock:  passing tones that never seem to land.. .. Scales that have no direction, and dissonance that only seems to resolve when all the instruments stop playing...assuming that's what they are doing    LMAO   "new jazz improv"...HEHEHEHEHE

We had fun with this.... Whenever someone made a mistake, he'd yell out  "It's Jazz"

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Don,  Do you recall back when classical music refused to acknowledge the saxophone as a legitimate musical instrument ?  They refused to allow it in classical music ?

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Sure, is it ever allowed much in orchestras today except for "At the Pops" type concerts?  When was it invented exactly?  Probably not until most of the classic classical pieces had been composed.

How do I start a poll ?   I want to ask for guesses as to how many years it'll be til the competitive seat for "Turntable" player exists within the percussion section of the Boston pops ?

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???........ Steven, I've never owned a bass fiddle. I said I "wanted" one, to play with bluegrass music. Just to have one, and learn it. But then I started wanting a bass guitar instead. And then, Lol, along came Don and sold me a good one.  :D

You must have misunderstood me, cause I've never once owned one. (But, yeah, I'm just over 5 ft, and don't have much of an arm OR finger reach, I imagine I'd have to have a much smaller one than full size to be able to play it)

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I did misunderstand this time Charmin, I read stuff really really quickly today, yet TODAY got all the posts from everyone,  so this is plainly MY OWN misreading...ooops.  For some reason I misread, and or at least didn't comprehend what I read  LOL


I'm more comfortable on a 3/4 sized violin... I look at it this way, violin is different from other string instruments anyway, closest instrument being viola.. IF someone 6'6" can play full sized violin with huge long fingers,  why would I be less comfortable on a 3/4 sized instrument ?  Just a thought...  I have relatively small fingers... I really like the 1/4 size and 1/10th size well crafter instruments, I can just stare at them for hours....Not sure why... I suppose something about my brainwaves.. or lack of them     I'm fasincated in miniature instruments, wish I had more money to collect miniatures

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I don't know Don. My mom was at the Harford Stage last night, they go every week to watch the orchestra, I'll ask her, I've lost all touch with classical music...I'd like to say I graduated, yet fact is.... I didn't keep up...




I'm thinking the mid 1800's by Adolph Sax...

Hey Dave, there's some trivia for you

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I'm going to see if I can find a timeline with the inventions of the different musical instruments on it.  When I do I'm going to post it below.... I just get bored and do things like this

This was my first day at Julliard. I brought my horn, which at that time was the woodwind instrument I wanted to major in... For some reason the damn traditionalists kicked me out..

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I've given this abit of thought, and I'm wondering something.  Today in my location for instance, few wish to purchase, or play the banjo.. Like the accordian it had it's place, and those who learned these instruments studied pretty hard, they were never easy to play decently, yet in the past 40 years in my locations didn't really have a place in contemporary popular music...More wanted to play electric guitar, or synth....Yet banjo was MUCH bigger in older styles of music, pre-electric instrument era... Accordian took back-seat to cordovox and later guitargon... and now just polka band.....

Is it that it requires a specific inherent gift to play the banjo,  or did musicians in the older days tend to work harder to get further in their craft ?  and guitar as well as banjo and mandolin pickers studied picking technique spending much more time on it than most musicians practice today... Finger picking styles just aren't that big these days... It's flat picking people learn...

Just a thought...Somewhere someplace, there's a kid that decides they love the banjo and will be the next Bela Fleck, yet these kids aren't as common today,..

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Is it hard to find a good case for those?

Hey Don, funny thing.... speaking of nice cases... I did in my day luck out in musical instruments flea markets, as well as tag-sales..  I have a Conn early "Lady on the Bell" Alto Sax... You should see the leather case on this, and the really nice plush lining,  the case alone is worth hundreds...with the flute holder padded top... They don't make cases like they used to !  I did REALLY well buying this sax..  of course it needed repadding....and a new corking job on the neck joint... The case is worth MUCH MUCH more than I paid for this horn which now with case is worth probably a few K....


Now-adays you look at the vintage tweed ply flimsy cases you buy for Fender guitars... retail $160, even the SKB hardshell high impact plastic cases... $120.. God forbid you get into the Mark Leaf line of cases, or some of the Heritage cases that have humidity controls....Cases I recall with liners like my old Gibson SG case now-adays they just don't make... these would be over 500 bucks

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I've never tried to learn either banjo or mandolin, but I have a strong hunch that they are more difficult to kearn to play PROPERLY then guitar or keyboards. And I think you need to be taught in person how to play them by somebody who really knows what they're doing. Whether you need extra inborn skills for this, I just think you need good dexterity and coordination like with any other instrument.  Do you own a banjo or mandolin, Steven?

I never wanted a Banjo Don.  I just wasn't involved with any styles that utilized it. By time a learned what bluegrass was, there was plenty of sitin slots for flat pickers and bass players.... As to Mandolin, to play it well is VERY difficult, yes I own one, yet didn't buy it, and it's currently been returned to my mom in a case I bought for it... It was my grandfathers, given to me, and I thought I could play it because my assumption was it's a double-stringed violin tuning, and I played 2nd violin when young... I was wrong. Mandolin isn't easy,  it's a different faster flat picking style I never grew up with, involving of course fast up and down picking using 16th- 32nd notes frequently, especially in bluegrass, and traditional Russian styles......nothing my wrists can do... and chords on a G-D-A-E tuned 8 stringed instrument just aren't something I had a reason to learn, I'm more used to string instruments that are rooted in 5th's for the most part   briefly at one point I sat down with one, I learned a few songs, a couples songs, fell asleep, woke up, put it away and did something more interesting...HAHAHAHAHA... I can't say a play mandolin, I can play a few songs on one.... I don't "play it", in fact I suck...... It's HARD as you say... Now regarding banjo, I just never had a desire, If I inherited a really really nice one, I'd sell it to Elderly INstruments, or put it in a magazine for sale.,...and buy a real instrument...HAHAHAHAHAHA...sorry, couldn't resist..Yet I'm just kidding of course, there isn't much banjo music in my upbringing and location..... I don't own resonator guitars such as a Dobro,  or National makes yet to be honest, I'm starting to think about it... .. Slide isn't something I personally learned, to be honest I bought my first slide last year along with a CD from Lyle Ronglien... Amazing guitarist in Seattle are who teaches online guitar on a site that gives FREE lessons for guitarist on monday and thursday evenings.... Check out "Riff Interactive"... just enter that name, I don't want to advertise a link to it.... yet it's easy to find based on what I've just furnished...I just don't want to lead this site up with links.... not until people ask for some that is...hehehe.. I'm not one to play using a vibrato or trem arm, because it always thu my tuning out've whack, and I just don't use alternate tunings playing slide.... SOmething I might as well learn tho....I have the time now-adays... so I bought a brass slide from MF, or AMS...one of the places....It sits on my piano shining nicely these days. A Jim Dunlop thingy  HEH

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I once owned a mother of pearl lap slide guitar. They sound good through a little  tube type distortion.  I always liked trying to pick out David Lindley parts on old Jackson Browne songs.

I own a Carvin either lap slide, or melobar, I don't know the difference, I posted it in a different thread.... here

I don't recall where I posted the photo, it was the same thread where I posted the photo of that 1940's new speaker. and the violins (I think)... was it the tech forum before I was invited to leave ?  not sure...

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You know..... (here I go off on another story, LoL)

I have 4 kids, and a various assortment of instruments.

And I kinda did with my kids like my dad did with me and all my siblings. I taught them the basic guitar chords when they were little, and even if they don't know how to play something- I encourage them to pick up an instrument and join in whatever way they can. Zach- Can play guitar fairly well, he can play the fiddle very well (he took 4 years of lessons, but just doesn't care to play it), he plays mandolin some...... Cheyenne  plays around with the guitar, fiddle, and she wants to learn bass and have that be "her instrument"...... Harley plays a few fiddle songs he's been taught, and a bit on mandolin, but he's tearing up the guitar. He plays alot of ACDC, Skynyrd, ZZ Top- he's just a natural on it, he has taught himself to read tabs. Then, my son Austin... he has tried to learn just about every instrument we have too. He can PLAY guitar, but he's never quite got it down very well, same with mandolin & fiddle. He kinda gave up, and I was like "Oh no, I'm gonna have a kid with no rythm whatsoever". THEN he decided he wanted to learn to play the banjo, just about a year ago. So my dad bought him one. I taught him two songs I've played since I was young. (No laughing here..... ) "Green Corn" and "Banjo in the Holler"...  very old, but popular bluegrass banjo songs. He is dancing circles around any of us on banjo. He just...... found his instrument. I don't mean to imply he's the next Earl Scruggs, but as fast as he caught on to the rolls...... I definately think he's gonna be a very good player. I just need someone to teach him. I do not know NEAR enough on Banjo to help him out. But it's funny, the way he didn't really take to any other instrument- even guitar- that he would adapt so well to banjo. Time will tell I guess, as to how good he'll get at it. He smokes me on the songs I taught him.
But again, as I said..... I can "play" a few songs, but I'm NOT a Banjo player at all- I just never took to it, and never tried very hard either.  I've thought about sending my kids to some of those camps.... ya know "banjo camp".... "guitar camp".... "fiddle camp". They have quite a few of them around, and actually alot of members of OTF are the instructors. But.... the banjo ones are a bit harder to find. Cause you're right Steven.... it's dying out kinda. As the old banjo players are leaving, they are not getting replaced by new, younger ones.

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No no, you don't want to do that.. They might come back looking like this..cept wif a darn purdier mouf

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(I'm going to have to report my post to the moderator's... I've been very naughty spamming my thread     )

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