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From a marketing point of view, perhaps it would, or could, influence those that aren't in the club to join it. Being what appears to be secretive or otherwise not forthcoming about it serves zero purpose other than to perpetuate the negative aura surrounding PEP. What's the big secret about not sharing the track titles? Does it make those in the 'club' feel 'exclusive'? I mean, if exclusivity is what you're going for, then so be it. You're doing a bang-up job.

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DJ Don

If there are things that are really worth getting in the bonus set it may be the push needed to jump on the GEM wagon for those maybe trying to decide?

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Ohh Ohh do you have a secret hand shake and a decoder ring that goes with that club

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I believe the track list will become available to everyone as early as Friday, or as late as never.
To speed up the release of this list there will be a Go-Fund-Me project dedicated to raising money for someone in the chain of track list providers.
Expect further information about that sometime soon.
However, if you just can't wait and want to be one of the first non-Gem licensees to receive this list you may reserve your pre-notification spot in the early notification list for only $30 as long as you are an authenticated non-certified, non-Gem user.
More information on the process and fees of authentication of non-certification will be available in the very near future.

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That was dead on Earthling.. Bravo..

Why would your company want to share this information indeed?

Is your company so backwards, it revels in NOT telling people (who might actually WANT your product) what tracks your GEM holders are getting?

So instead of trying to get a potential customer excited about your product, possibly sell more of your GEM series and create some form of proper revenue stream, you'd rather keep your product a mystery and then go for crowd funding?

Wow. Just... wow.

everything is secretive.
find a win from the law suits....go ahead.
everyone was dismissed and the "settlement" is a secret.
why would they not want to show everyone what will happen if you don't get certified?
as you have seen, nothing this company does seems to make any business sense.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Shhh!!!! Don't let KNF know that. She might want to join.

We've taken 10 defendants to trial and gotten favorable verdicts against 8 of them.

You're getting as bad as Mr. Staley, playing fast and loose with the facts.

Perhaps they are embarrassed at the duplication of some songs with what they already have paid for....
meaning they "get" to pay for the same songs.... twice!
(lucky them!)

Rock on you licensees!

Try as you might to put lipstick on a pig.....

8 wins in 6 years and now the pirates are all gone. right? Now the pirates just have 300,000 songs in their libraries and you think that they need a few more Sound Choice tracks to make them successful? The singers at karaoke shows don't care what brand of karaoke the KJ is using. All they care about is that the KJ has their favorite song; even if it is a home made karaoke track. Some of the home made stuff is every bit as good as a sound choice track if made with a quality backing track like the ones available from Karaoke Version. People have been getting the songs they want ever since Sound Choice went into hiding. The pirates have every Sound Choice track ever made and they have all of the new stuff that everyone else has made since sound choice became a non-entity in the karaoke business. If you ask me; the pirates have won and sound choice is just looking for the scraps that have been left on the floor. Now they're looking for Chartbuster scraps. They'll grab the low hanging fruit and take what they can. I don't know of anyone who has given in to the Sound Choice pressure in years. The Boogie Man has no claws.

Well, you could be a little more honest with the statistics... but that just might be a bit painful for you...

"10 defendants to trial".... out of how many defendants? 1,000? 1,200? Gotta be close... that would represent .01% of all of them. Shattering more records than Perry Mason no doubt.

How many filings have even become "trials?" 10 out of 1,000? Your numbers crumble under their own weight don't they?

I don't think so, and I'll take that as a compliment and since you are a man who makes a living off of "technicalities" I will offer a few statistics of my own:

In 100% of the time I've been in business, 100% of my venues have never been sued by Sleptone or PEP for any kind of infringement.

Every, single, one.

To date, 100% of my venues aren't threatened by PEP or their consignment attorneys.

Every, single, one.

In 100% of my time in the karaoke business,
I have been sued for infringement exactly ZERO times. (as in "none")

In the last 6 years, I HAVE supplied the industry with a CD+G product as well as MP3+G's (downloadable) and MP4's (downloadable) without begging for money from customers in advance.

In the last 6 years, Sleptone and/or PEP have produced ZERO NEW PRODUCT despite repeated promises and to date, the tin cup is still out. (that is a "100% failure rate")

The facts... and nothing but the facts....

well over 1,000 suits and only 10 bad guys?
how should i know what your success rate is? you won't show anybody anything. even if you show proof of these 8 favorable verdicts (against HOSTS for HOSTING, not against DRIVE SELLERS), that still leaves 8 out of 1,000+ suits. that puts 99.2% failure.
I'm getting as bad as Chip at what? asking for proof of what you are trying to sell to everyone?
I have backed you up against others when i see truth, and pushed back when i don't. i don't want anything but the truth of all of this.
you want to curb piracy? SHOW US THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING HAS ANY EFFECT AT ALL. but you refuse, you say "take my word for it" but your customers must prove everything to you or get sued.

we are trying to curb piracy----B.S., Kurt even said so (everyone saw it)
we are just trying to get paid for what people stole----B.S., the only ones paying are the ones who paid in the first place. (prove me wrong)
we are putting out new music----B.S. was this the 4th time or 5th time "the publishers" are the problem for S.C. only? (prove me wrong, once i can buy, maybe twice, but 5 times?)

Hosts are expected to come to you on bended knee with money in hand to prove that they are really your customers and pay you for the frisking. why should you blindly believe them?
you have not proven anything that you say to be true, other manus made music, all cases sealed, but why should hosts not blindly believe you?

if you expect the hosts to prove that what they say is the truth for the good of the business, the least you could do is prove it back. show that all of this IS making a difference, that all these suits IS improving the situation, that these suits ARE winning, that these suits are against ACTUAL pirates and not "technical infringers", that all of this B.S. that has come from the suits is worth the problems it has created.

when even the new people ion here are asking what the hell you are thinking, maybe it is time to change your approach.

you said you came on here to be a voice to reach out to the hosts and dispel the myths and half truths. you have not done any of that yet, all you have done so far is say "that is not true, trust me". if "trust me"isn't good enough for Lonnie, Cueball, Bryan, Earthling, MrBoo, Mightywiz or any others here that have been here the whole time when it comes to their libraries, why should it be good enough for PEP? that seems rather unfair to ask doesn't it?

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That's so ridiculous, I barely know where to start.

Those are trials. Very few civil cases ever go to trial--no more than about 2% of contested civil cases overall in federal courts.

There are many ways for cases to terminate in our favor, even without a trial: default judgment, summary judgment, settlement.

Settlement is our preferred method of resolving cases, because the amount of money at stake is relatively low, the defendant's resources are often limited, and trials are both expensive (in terms of time and expenses) and uncertain (because judges and juries have their own views and perspectives). Most cases settle because it is relatively easy to see exactly what the situation is. Those settlements run the gamut from "I'll turn over my equipment to you and get out of the business" to "I'll pay you a lot of money to get my operation legal."

We also get a lot of default judgments, because a lot of defendants find it easier to shut down and disappear from karaoke, or they don't understand the litigation process and think it's not important to respond, or figure they're judgment-proof. But these are favorable terminations, because we get money damages and injunctions that we then use to prevent pirate operators from continuing in the business. Summary judgment is relatively rare, but it happens.

We will try a case if it's necessary to do so, and when we do, we usually win (8 of 9, excluding--as you said--the trial against the hard drive seller). We won one just down the road from you this past summer. Trials are not the only measure of success, but if you look at them in context, we're pretty successful.

My point is that you've made statements that are simply false, just as Mr. Staley does, and you've taken other information that's technically true but drawn false conclusions from it, just as Mr. Staley does. I'm sorry we haven't been able to get back to Arizona to go after the pirates in the Phoenix market. We lack an attorney in that area at present. Once we have one, I'm sure we'll return.

Well, well, well.

I took a little break during the holidays and return to see that nothing has changed. The angry losers are still angry, and the happy business people are still happy. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

FWIW, when I renewed GEM set #1, I opted for the three disc bonus set. The track selection is awesome and well worth $99! A nice, wide variety of songs that definitely will get sung.

I know several of you want to know the track list, especially the new kid in town karaokeniagarafalls. And I'd love to tell you! But if I did, I know I'd have a heartache tonight in the long run. Some would even claim I have lyin eyes! One of these nights when the sunrises over some tequila and I have a peaceful easy feeling, I might take it to the limit and tell you. But for now, no. Sorry...I cant tell you why.

Still holding on to those "Valuable & Rare" pieces of plastic? You just missed your big money sell window.

8125 still valuable because you have to puke out $xxxx for the GEM series and be in the 'club' to get those tracks.

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DJ Don

who?
this is what i am talking about. "just trust me, we are winning" but nothing more than that.
SHOW US, you have filed suits in AZ many times and as far as i can see, not one thing has changed. no pirates gone, none of these pirates make enough to pay anything, but they are dismissed with their equipment and playing SC. you say your winning....prove it.

does it work the other way? since there is no working registration system for CB, i have all my CB material on OMD. will you just trust me and take my word for it and issue me a registration number?

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Everybody has to "Puke Out" for music in some way unless you are stealing so what's your point? Some people are perfectly happy playing crappy quality renditions they bought off eBay. Others and myself pride ourselves on high quality, "just like the original" song versions. I wanted the best quality base set in the business and five years ago licensed GEM set #1. It has paid for itself many times over in that time and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. (BTW: Every single horror story that was told about GEM has now been proven false.)

As for 8125, it's an obsolete piece of plastic that just dropped in value. I told you guys you should have SOLD at the peak! But don't worry. I am sure there are still suckers out there that will pay hundreds for it so they can store it next to those "valuable" DVD's and VHS tapes. Sell Mortimer Sell!

Tony Granito, who ran as many as 20 rigs in Tucson at the time we sued him. Jury trial, judgment for the Plaintiffs, defendant forced to cut back to one rig.



I'm not asking you to trust me. I'm asking you to stop making up a story to fill in the gaps in your knowledge.

You implied that we had never won a case. That was false.

We haven't filed all that many suits in Arizona, maybe 25 defendants total (not counting what Brophy did; I don't have any information on that suit), and we ran into a judge who was unreasonably hostile to our position, which resulted in many of those defendants being dismissed without prejudice. We have a case on appeal right now, and until that's resolved, there will not be any further action taken in Arizona, even assuming we can find another attorney to take on cases.

Doesn't matter who they won against. it's a much smaller number then those they have settled with.

And that's what's keeping PEP in business, those settlement checks. with only 380 registered people on your website, I'm sure that isn't really paying the bills.

Unless those KJs are all happy with the settlement/payout outcome, and can continue to use/buy PEP product, that's 1000's of new CDGs PEP wont sell.

I'm sure PEP will eventually will release new product, just a matter of time. Any one of us can hit the net from half court if we have been at it for 6 years.

For what its worth, the lawsuits are PEP's moneymaker. I was correct in thinking that PEP would have the CB policy in place before they released ONE new SC karaoke track. Unless those bonus GEM tracks have something that was never released or under 5 years old, they are old stock. And while everyone will eventually hear about whatever Prime is, your CB policy is on the PEP website for all to see.

But after all the blood PEP has spilled... Will there be a large number of KJs who will buy the product? If the Advanced CDG tells us anything... that answer might be no.