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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:30 am 
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I KNEW I couldn't tell the thickness of your prescription from your pic...I have a better idea now... :lol:
So, if not Barbara, who do you think she resembles? LOL ... I don't wear glasses anymore... except to read.


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First off, there needs to be an emoticon that's beating a dead horse. Can we make that happen?

Until then, remember that NOT ALL VENUES ARE THE SAME! Just like Richard Prior's act won't work at the Grand Ol' Opery, and Lenny Bruce's act won't work at the Apollo (both would likely insight riots), no one's karaoke show will work at every bar out there, they have aspects that are taylored to the audience, at least if you're any good at it.

Not EVERY karaoke singer in every bar just wants to maximize how many songs they sing. That's not every karaoke singer in the country's main objective, and it's certainly pretty low on most non-karaoke singers' wish list.

Well selected and well performed filler creates an atmosphere that just isn't there in these more traditional karaoke shows. Filler creates and maintains energy, sometimes despite the singer selections. It also entertains the non-singers, and those who could care less about karaoke. My crowd has 10 non-singers to every singer, and those non-singers would LEAVE MY BAR if there was a karaoke show that was just karaoke. Period. My job is to maximize the bar's profit, not reduce it, so chasing off 100 people so 10 karaoke peeps can have a better time is a BADDDD business model - IN MY BAR.

But, guess what.....I keep them both happy. I play upbeat dance filler that keeps the non-karaoke peeps entertained. I DO NOT play whole songs. I cue to the beat drop, which can be as far as almost a minute into some songs, and only play through the hook, which typically comes about 30-45 seconds into the song.

Do I get 15 singers in each hour? NO! But I don't want to. That would be bad for business. I get about 10 in an hour. There's another karaoke bar down the street that has no filler and gets in 15 singers an hour. You can go there and sing 8 karaoke songs in a night in front of an audience of about 25, 15 of which LOVEEE karaoke, or you can come to my SHOW and sing 4 times in a night to a crowd of about 125 with HIGH ENERGY where it feels like a live, produced SHOW. It's up to the singer. It doesn't hurt my feelings if they choose to go down the street.

In fact, you may or may not be aware that MOST of the general public out there, especially the younger 20-30 crowd, mocks karaoke and thinks it is stupid. You know how it got that reputation? Your typical 20-30 year old doesn't want to go to a traditional karaoke show where people sing over and over and that's the only thing going on. There's certainly still a market for that, as we all know that even though they are a minority, hardcore karaoke singers are rabid about supporting their shows. BUT, I'm telling you, my brand of karaoke caters to the other 90%, and I won't make any apologies about it. Hardcore singers typically HATE my show for all the same reasons they would love a more traditional show. Even most of the people I go out to sing karaoke with that consider me a good friend only rarely attend my show. But that's OK, because I still fill my niche. I don't need the hardcore singers.

You WILL wait 40-60 minutes to sing after about 10:30ish every Saturday night at my show, and it will be well worth the wait for the incredible energy you feel when you hit that stage.

Dozens of non-karaoke singers that would normally walk out the second karaoke starts at most bars are regulars to my show. I also often hear people that are new to the bar grumble when they find out I'm setting up for karaoke, with the typical "man....I freakin HATE karaoke," and more times than not, one of their peers (who don't even sing) will interject with "well you've never seen this karaoke...it's not like a normal karaoke show. You should check it out." That situation happens almost every show, and gives me the most satisfaction.

It's not for everybody, and it's not BETTER or WORSE than your way if you are filling the seats, but it's MY BRAND of karaoke, and I do MY BRAND better than anyone.

I would argue that the bar's bottom line is the ONLY indicator of show success, no matter how you do it. If you allow two singers an hour with polka music filler while a midget stripper dances in a cage, and it brings in more $$$ for your bar, then you are doing it right!

They ring about $4000 in a relatively medium-sized venue (about 5000 SF) on my average Saturday night, and they have gone as high as the low $6000s. If you can't beat that, then PLEASE stop telling me how I'm doing it wrong!

Rant over, horse deader than when I found it! :shock:

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topher, if it works for you great. I just don't try to be all things to all people. I see bars that were 100 percent Karaoke first began loose business over their lack service tendencies. That started decreasing their business. Then instead of fixing that, they blamed it on their really good karaoke hosts. So they got rid of them and replaced them with this poor servers and wait staff because they would work cheaper. Then they tired to please everybody and their business dropped even more. Poor Service and slow karaoke with alot of dance music for people that weren't dancing. They've run themselves into the ground so bad they are now only open 5 and 5 days a week. Dimples has dropped to 6 days and JW's in Flint is down to 5 days. While another owner who is more concerned with service has expanded and has two Karaoke Bars. One is 7 day karaoke and the other is only three days but both are open 7 days a week. And his Karaoke nights are increasing slowly as more people find out they are strictly Karaoke. Occasionally they will play some dance music if there are enough people that want to dance. But it's not a one for one. It's a rotation of singers and few dance songs. I just think it's silly to think that a host is going to play dance music for people to dance to when it's a Karaoke night. It would be just as silly to go to a dance that has certain nights for Karaoke then expect on the other nights when they have dancing to allow me to get up and sing karaoke. It would be equally as silly to go to a sports bar expecting to sing karaoke. If its a Karaoke night I don't go to watch music videos or sit through equal amounts of dance music. If it works for you great. But I would imagine there are other good things going on at that bar besides your Karaoke. I know myself I can only help the bar so much. If their service is terrible it's not worth me even trying to do a show. People waiting on drinks and waiting on food is still going to run customers off. Which are the biggest problems those two bar's I mentioned above have.


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It would be equally as silly to go to a sports bar expecting to sing karaoke.


My venue is a sports bar :lol:

All local football and important games in any other sport always supersede my karaoke show. Otherwise, it's on!

As for the rest of your post, I guess I don't run a "karaoke night." I run a entertainment show that happens to feature karaoke. I do always tell people that it is a karaoke/DJ hybrid.

I can tell from your opinions that you might fall into that group of people that would not like my show, and that's fine. I serve my target audience.

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I KNEW I couldn't tell the thickness of your prescription from your pic...I have a better idea now... :lol:
So, if not Barbara, who do you think she resembles? LOL ... I don't wear glasses anymore... except to read.



Sorry...not falling for the bait...


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TedJankowski wrote:
It would be equally as silly to go to a sports bar expecting to sing karaoke.

My venue is a sports bar? 20 years 7 nights karaoke - local games and important games remain on all screens until over. If they are just games on the screen & no one really watching, we flip 2 TV's over to karaoke & mute the others!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:44 am 
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Topher where in Florida are you hosting? I do swing out there from time to time. I used to go twice a year. But I just moved to the other coast. As soon as I'm established here and making some money I'll probably plan a trip. I usually go to the Englewood Sarasota area sometimes we swing down to Fort Myers and even Bonita Springs.


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Tampa area, closer to St. Pete.

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I can pretty much see both sides. But one thing is for certain. No two venues are the same. What works in one, may not work in the other.

I personally frequent shows that are mostly karaoke. There is one guy who likes to try and do trivia and a bunch of other stuff but it annoys the hell out of the karaoke singers . The reason I don't leave is the money draw they have at the end of the night... ;)

The other place I go to is strictly karaoke, but it is a bit of a mystery to me.. More often than not, one of two things will happen. There will be a HUGE rotation of singers, and hardly any non singers so you end up waiting 1-2 hours to sing, or there will be 5 or six singers, but the place is still absolutely jammed packed to capacity, which means you get to sing a lot, but I personally hate the noise level when this happens.


There very rarely seems to be a happy balance between the two, which is where I am the happiest..

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TopherM wrote:
First off, there needs to be an emoticon that's beating a dead horse. Can we make that happen?


How about this one.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


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Oh cool you're just up the road then from Engelwood and Sarasota. Do you ever get involved with talent quest Florida?


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"If you allow two singers an hour with polka music filler while a midget stripper dances in a cage, and it brings in more $$$ for your bar, then you are doing it right! "
now THATS a show i want to see :lol:

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"If you allow two singers an hour with polka music filler while a midget stripper dances in a cage, and it brings in more $$$ for your bar, then you are doing it right! "
now THATS a show i want to see :lol:
Only if it's advertised that way! :lol:

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