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Exactly, how much does one need to spend in order to earn their seat in a bar? Love to hear this answer from eric - at what point has someone spent enough in your eyes? $5 per night, $10, $50, $100? So my buying $5 worth of sodas is still spending, but true it's one person. Now back to my scenerio (which I see alot). 5 people all buy 1 pitcher equalling $5. Well technically they all spent $1 each as compared to my $5 on non-alcoholic drinks.
So how much spent is enough to you?

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He hasn't gotten to me. I don't take this stuff seriously. If I met Eric, I'd buy him a [strike]virgin mary[/strike] drink.

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Not joking at all! Many bars up here charge for water if that is all you are drinking. If it is ordered with a drink - I used to order my drink & a glass of water just for hydration reasons, then no there is no charge.

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Lonnie if some how some way this old man could make it out there to your show you are saying that I have to drink or spend at least $20 dollars in the Tbird or I will be considered undesirable? I do not put these requirements on my singers and never will..

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Then why on earth do you keep spouting off that if you don't drink don't go to a bar. Someone can spend money in a bar drinking soda and not drink alcohol, which has been my exact point the entire time through. So now you are saying that non-drinkers (of alcohol) are ok and can come back in the bar?


No different than the group of 5 buying a $5 pitcher between them a couple times a night. Yeah they may have spent $10-15 combined but only $2-3 PER person.

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I go to Vegas regularly; plenty of places there to do karaoke, spend money and not drink.

My wife and I stopped in St Louis at the invitation of Laura, a fellow member, when we were in the midwest last May. She took us to two places for Karaoke. We ate at the first and I believe the second offered a menu, as well.

So, I can't believe that everyone else must go to a bar that doesn't have a menu to participate in karaoke.

AND LONMAN ... when I offered "DON'T GO TO A BAR NOT TO DRINK", it was an admonishment that if you're not going to drink and you surely don't have to, you futhermore, surely don't have to go to a bar in the first place. Go to the movies, go bowling, go play bingo. People in Florida don't go to places that are strictly bars not to drink; To me that makes as much sense as going to Disney World and not going on the rides. But of course, in that example at least you paid to get in to Disney.

So, if you're not going to drink and still feel you have a right to sit around slurping refillable sodas, please do so, but why not hand the owner a $10 bill? If money is not the reason for not drinking than surely a night of karaoke is worth $10?

Nope never said that at all. Even if you buy a soda, you are now a spender. But I don't make the rule, the bar makes the rule. I'll let anyone sing, I don't police what people spend, they do that & will act accordingly. If you just came in & sat down without ordering anything, then yes they would ask you to leave.

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I go to the bars to hang out with my friends, make new friends, sing karaoke & not drink alcohol. Can't karaoke at Bingo, movies or bowling (well I did find one place at Ocean Shores, WA a few years back that had karaoke during bowling). Again I go into the bar to hang with my friends, I will not stay out just because I do not drink. I still spend money!
There is more to do in Disney World than just rides, I guess my Grandma & Grandpa should not have gone to Disney World last year since they absolutely cannot ride rides. BTW they do not drink either.



Again, the bars fault if they are not charging for refills, not the customers that may be willing to pay for each drink. Well you know what if the owner was there, I would probably suggest to him that he should charge for refills - at minimum during entertainment times. But I would be willing to bet that even if I offered to give them $10, they would decline. Even when I drank alcohol, I never spent more than $10 - the price of 2 drinks. So I am still waiting for the answer to my how much is enough spent?

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You must be joking, or trolling, right?

If the bar can't get out of it's own way and figure out how to make money, then they should go out of business. If you don't offer food, and you sell refillable sodas and don't charge for water, and you offer karaoke, you are going to get my police officer friends imaginary ticket he would like to be able to issue -- "too dumb for conditions".

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Ah

According to Lonman and Mcky57 if they want to sing karaoke, it's not their responsibility to figure out how to pay for it. It's the dumb bar owner's responsibility. And of course, who can argue with that?

Of course, that further solidifies my thinking that freeloaders convince themselves that paying for karaoke is the responsibility of everyone but themselves. And if they can get away without paying, great!

Furthermore, I remind you again of the thread early last year regarding the owner who did stick up for his business and asked some non-spending sinker to leave. The first disgruntled post was from the Kj who lost a very popular singer, admonishing the owner for not realizing the mistake he had made. Well did he really make a mistake?

So, in summary, the owner who throws out non-paying singers is a jerk. The owner who let's people sit around a karaoke show without paying is also a jerk!

Are you really this dense or just arguing for fun? If I go into a bar and spend money on soda, I am still spending - WHAT is the issue? You say because I no longer drink alcohol I should no longer go to a bar, I don't understand why not if I am spending money on sodas. My friends that I hang out with haven't changed. They still go in & sing. Now that I don't I shouldn't go & join my friends where they like to hang out because I can no longer buy a couple drinks per night?


NON-spending I can see, yes. A person SPENDING money on soda is not a NON-spender. If people are coming in & spending money because of one non-spending singer, then that could be an arguement against doing so.


No in summary a bar owner who considers someone who is spending money on soda - this is the part you just can't seem to grasp - is a jerk! A bar owner who throws out someone who spends absolutely nothing is doing his job.

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At my bar I am the ONLY soda drinker in the place. The rest are drinking either beers, shots or mixed drinks. There use to be one singer that drank one beer and the rest of the night drank soda. I don't miss her because she was a pain to begin with. But I would not cut her off from singing just cause she only drank soda all night.

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I have been in karaoke for years and never had a problem with my customers drinking or non drinking..

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Neither have I.

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Quit putting the blame on people who buy hard drives with tons of music and water drinkers and get your shyat together. Wat do i have to do draw you a picture? JFC Quit bitching and learn some PR. all you want to do is pass rules and regulate. Rules will not make you successful PR will. I am not a communist are you??

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Who can argue with it? Nobody. Simply because if you are making this argument expecting it to change the behavior of people in general, you are spitting in the wind. No one else *can* do it but the bar owner, capisce?

Not only that, only with authority comes responsibility. The karaoke singer has zero authority in the place, so they have zero responsibilty. All they can do is vote with their feet.

The karaoke host has some authority, so they have some responsibility. So if a host is encountering gigs that fail because of these supposed non-spenders, it is up to them to help do something about it.

The bar owner has a lot of authority in their bar, and so has a lot of responsibility. The ultimate responsibility, because if they don't make money they don't (figuratively) eat.


For those that are freeloaders, you bet.


It is a pimple on the plane of our existence. I would expect ejections to be uncommon, and owners that have to resort to it not to be long offering karaoke. But I have seen it happen at a place where karaoke is the only business, Klub Karaoke in Buffalo. The owner patrols his place and would have the support of everybody if he had a problem. Of course he sells bottled water and doesn't give free refills, so there are no flies on him even if he is 86 years old.


No one here said that. I won't accept one incident a long time ago as characterizing us.


You bet. Sell bottled water and don't offer free refills, and charge through the nose for them. I'll still patronize the place if the rotation is short, you can bet ya! And the freeloaders won't.

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So who's a worse customer, who should get the boot?

The person nursing a beer all night or the person who buys 3-4 waters or sodas.

I'm busy enough running a show to be the "spending police". If someone is loitering and not spending, then the bar should tell them to buy or leave.

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Yeah, i'm still waiting for an answer, in Eric's opinion, how much does one NEED to spend in a bar to make them worthy of being there for the bar activities? How much should one spend to be considered a paying customer?

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I am an ex-owner, as well as ex-manager and long time bartender- And I agree with you 100 percent.

1) The singers ARE the entertainment, and bring in other customers.

2) The whole thread is moot because, in most cases, the non-spender is is a onesy or twosy, with everyone else spending.

3) As previously mentioned on another thread, a non-spender has the capability of bringing in spending friends- and may have, without anyone noticing the connection.

4) For every customer (spending or not) that a venue loses or makes feel unwelcome, they can lose 10 more due to negative word of mouth. The venue can't get up and move to another spot to start over- but the customer can.


On the flip side: To the host who can get this hypthetical "super sober" bunch happy and singing is pretty good at what they do! I once did an AA private event, and it took a bit of work to get 'em rolling...

Bottom Line: This "problem" is miniscule to non-existent and not worth thinking about- and certainly not by the Karaoke Host, who doen't own, manage, or run the bar.

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I do grasp it. Spending money on a soda is spending money. But I don't agree that it's profitable for the bar. So is spening money in the cigarette machine. So I guess you can buy a pack of cigarettes and sit at the bar smoking all night?

WHAT YOU DON'T GRASP is that bars are in business to make money. And since all of you insist on using your own little world as a point of reference I will accordingly use mine! And in my world most of the bars that have Karaoke serve food and most places that serve food charge about a $1.85 for a glass of soda and all soda purchses come with free refills. If you call that spending money, don't buy any business; you'll never survive!