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Your certainly right...SS is a fantasy land, as a matter of fact, without fluffing and reciprocation it probably wouldn't even exist at all...Which is probably the main reason why the system is set up the way it is.......Take this submission for example:

http://www.singersshowcase.com/song.php ... act2=47724


Now this lady puts up what I would consider to be "10" performances on a consistant basis, yet she receives very few comments, probably because her comment count is at 0..........if it wasn't for the "fantasy" aspect of SS...it would slow to a crawl in a matter of days, i'm sure the admins know that.....

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[highlight=gold]WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     [/highlight]

She IS excellent, Nathan.... you are so right.  


Thing is,  being a part of a community ....... is  well .....  being a part of the community. You have to get out and mingle a bit .... make friends.... say hi .... get to know folks a bit.  

I'm glad you brought her to my attention.  She is someone I know I will totally enjoy listening to.  

Just would be nice if she came out and said hi too!!  I'm sure she'd be warmly welcomed!!!

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Exactly Nathan.  People want to have fun, and have a right to such fun.  I've always viewed SS as a nice playground where "inner children" can enjoy singing, even bicker about losing their gold star !  NOTHING wrong with that.  I think it'd be nice to have a place where the serious singers can interact on a more sophisticated level too. KS is certainly large enough to afford us that.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

My own feelings are that very little SHOULD need to be mandated.  Common sense should instead be exercized more among the participants. There's little excuse for those sub'ing in C category screaming when they get something "along those lines". Adults should be able to exercize judgement rather than be babysat for.  WE KNOW how SS is... Let the serious vocalists have a place now !   We won't change SS... Nor should we.

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Your point is well taken Cindy, and hey don't get me wrong, that's the main reason i'm here too......maybe you and Luly could pull her out of her shell...

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Woulda, coulda, shoulda.....  :no:


Sigh....

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I'm still thinking this is a great idea, it would be nice to have a place where you could get a reality check from time to time.....

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How do you propose we do that??  LOL She needs to get out there and listen to others and leave feedback.  

She does have an awesome voice Nathan.  Very strong, I like her style.

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REALISTICALLY....I like fun.  

My other reality is that I got tons of laundry to do.  See you guys later.  :wave:

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I really like that idea. Sometimes I need my reality checked.

Luly, this would still require not just moderating in the venue, but heavier handed moderating because Critique is a subjective area to begin with.  Hence, those qualified to see thru esoteric innuendo, and deliniate between camouflaged bashes and tough candor.  If you think Critique gets tough, asking people to moderate the process is brutal ! A task nobody in sane mind would wish for. Assuming there were truly a problem affecting most in the current system it MIGHT be an option, but it would also become a source of more dissension.  The problem isn't layout, it's some individuals.  "WHY" is there a problem ?  

ADDED IN:

This topic of "changing critique and rank" HAS been coming up for years, with write-ins to powers that be.  NOW, assuming this is something administration is willing to modify, EVEN in such a case it would only be fair to request all currently having fun in SS (that don't care about these bboards) enter here to vote on this as well... FIRST, I'd like to know WHY (assuming C and Rank aren't being changed when this is onging) administration wishes to keep things as they are ?   I really believe they have their own motive for NOT changing layout. This isn't a new concept to them. This topic has run intermittently hot and heavy for at least 2 years. LIKELY longer.  I don't think we have any evidence anywhere near the majority want change anyway. 

Because those in SS have written their OWN acceptable definition of Critique. Nathan brought up some excellent points regarding this earlier I just noticed.
Within the site description it states "you must have fun here".  Those of us that understand the definition of "Critique" (in the dictionary or scholastic sense) realize it needs to be taken elsewhere assuming individuals truly opt for it !  Many see it as paradoxical to :having fun: and THIS is the problem.  Differing agendas.  Administration has their's.  More serious artists have their own too, HOWEVER the site SHOULD be able to accomodate all more easily than proposing fixing a system that isn't broken

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Steven,

If I took my car to a gargage .... and the mechanic told me it was "mechanically sound" .... but when I drove it ... it stalled out on me when I was in heavy traffic .. and it did so repeatedly ..... and yet, the mechanic still couldn't find the problem ... I havem3 options.  

I can say ..... Oh, Okay  ... there is nothing wrong with this car... and keep driving it... hoping that it was just a "phase" the car was going thru ... and that it won't again stall on me (or in the case of SS and the boards, once AGAIN say ... oh its just a few people, and it really is an okay process, we just need to try harder to all be respectful ....... UNTIL THE NEXT TIME SOMETHING ERUPTS)

I can find an new mechanic .....  (or in our case, try to find what IS broken and come up with some BETTER ways to control that we won't have another "stall"~~~~ 'cause lets face it, something obviously IS broken ... or we wouldn't even be HAVING this discussion).

or

I can buy a new car (even though I love the one I own) and hope it won't happen with another "mechanically sound" car (in this case ~~ leave a place I like ~~~ 'cause I was abused and no one seemed willing to try to find a way to FIX things.)


I for one, HATE that we've lost wonderful people ... and I truly do believe that some great ideas for FIXING what IS broken ..... have been offered.  And ... if even one of those things were implemented.... I am gonna guess... we'd see a change for the BETTER.  

JMO .... but come on.... you KNOW that something around here IS broken .... and it has been for a very long time.  Just a matter of time 'till "the next time" occurs.  

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CCindy,  I think this is a better analogy given the current set of circumstances..


ASSUME: you are only JOINT owner of that car, and the majority that own it don't want it in the garage.  Now what ?  In SS we are only ONE passenger. Most don't notice the brake Rotor's need resurfacing. They would rather drive the car as-is in fact.  This is a microcosm of our nation.. While you and I see things differently than what "appears" to be our voting public.. Look at what's going on around us ?    The only vehicle we have sole proprietorship of in SS is ourselves.


I have control of handling what's MINE, similarly in the case of Singer's Showcase WE ALL can and should discuss this, we've been afforded the oppt, BUT, I don't think the whole neighborhood wants city hall to change.  I WOULD like to see certain things change in SS...  I have found MOST disagree with me.  I've accepted that.  I believe even Administration *might* like things as they currently are , BUT this is just a guess..and this is why I believe there to be other easier options.  So,  I bought my own car chasis, and need to build one with JUST my money (form a new group).  I believe this to be a more appropriate analogy given current setting.

I AGREE with you, however I think debating something that most don't agree with is futile, and it's easier to request other options than change city hall.  The Silent Majority are having fun in SS...  We must consider THAT too.  What is the percentage that wants change ?   THIS is my concern. The overall picture.  For that sometimes we must step back from the stage to see the whole act. SS is a car SOME of us don't like being a passenger in too... just as I wouldn't want to be in a setting that didn't suit me, BUT the setting might be fine and even healthier for me, I'd just like something that isn't offered in the current setting. Problem is, it's something OTHERS do not wish to see at ALL !  The kids in the car might not want an old fart like Kappy around at all !!!!  Assuming this were PURE democracy, this should be a vote ALL vote on, not just those in here... ALSO those having fun in SS as we type this.  THAT is my point. Are we fairly representative of ALL ?

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Really good term Chuck.

For instance instead of my husband critiquing the fact he found a couple of rotten onions in the bottom of my pantry he could give me some constructive feedback...either way I am in a bit of strife  :shock:

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Yes she is stunning, but has never once stepped outside of her own subs and attempted to get to know anyone, in fact I am unsure if she has even deigned to reply to comments given to her. Sorry but for those of us who have actually welcomed her and complimented her, that could be construed a slap in the face.
Political or not, if I have limited time to spend listening and commenting, I would rather give my time to someone who appreciates it

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

My point being,  A powder blue VW bug with great mileage might be a car that bests suits my budget.  It's available on the showroom floor now at closeout prices.  THING IS,  I'd rather be less efficient and NOT be driving it.  I want a "mans car"...  (The pink Camero even tho it gets lousy mileage  LMAO )


Such is life

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Well Steven, I see the point you are making...... and to an extent, it is very valid ... but..... whether we like it or not..... SOME of the passengers in your car will get pi$$y, if they are in a car that stalls ......'specially in heavy traffic....... and wonder why you don't get the darn thing fixed.

And.... You may be only part owner of the car..... but if you drive that car with the other owners day in and day out ...... and it stalls in a place where several cant get to the place they wanna get ....  the "other owners" will sooner or later erupt with ROAD RAGE. AT first they may be nice and try to help you .... but after a while... they will simply get pi$$y.  History has proven it.

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Yep Cindy you are so right

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

CC I love your posts!  :worship:

Regarding a separate critique area:

We tried something similar in another "showcase" type venue. (DTS) I was a part of a panel of judges who were anonymous and we had a formula by which to go by. First off... this is very time consuming and tedious work for the judges. Who would want to do this on a daily basis? Also, it was not received well by the singers. Honesty is not always appreciated. Even though it was unanimously voted on. Most initially felt they could handle it, and some could. But, some of the most talented singers were the most hurt and some up and left. It seems even the people you think really can handle it.. can't. I have found that the most creative people are also the most sensitive... this is why we sing or create art. It is such a subjective thing, and most artists are portraying what is in their hearts. How can we pick that apart? Other than technical issues, I don't think a person can really improve or learn much from being critiqued. Being told they are off key is useless... if they could not tell they were off key to begin with, it's doubtful they will suddenly sing on key once it's pointed out.

It's my own humble opinion that art should not be judged by a select few. This leads to people feeling resentment for these elite few. We can all hear good work. We know what sounds bad. We lose the art of music being something from ones soul and it becomes work and it becomes effort when we are forced to judge it. Some of the best performances are flawed ones. After listening to song after song we can become jaded and lose our heart...  we become judging robots. Where's the heart in that? We are an emo bunch... ... sometimes people are so upset they walk away and never come back. As CC pointed out... we've all seen that happen all too often.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm just stating my experience with a similar idea that failed miserabley.

I think if there is to be a critique area, the ranking should be eliminated, since that seemed to be the biggest bone of contention. Everyone has a different idea of what each number should represent, even when it's spelled out. It creates the feeling of "why did ____ get an 8 when I got a 6? My song was much better" etc.....

The current system here works fine for me... but I simply sub in the JFF area and somehow I've escaped the harassment that some have experienced here *knock on wood* ... I have no objection to making some changes to protect the people who have had to endure this kind of thing.

Speaking of cars  :D ... each year the new model is improved and better than the last ~ hopefully..... because new gadgets, protective devices and feedback from consumers made it so.

Wow, I don't get it. I've only read the first page of this long thread, but I don't see what the problem is. As far as I know there isn't really anything wrong with SS is there? I sub there all the time and all my subs are 'C' with never any problems. If I get a critique I take it in stride though I admit I don't always like it. But even if you do a perfect job there are always people that you don't please. Plus, I really don't see people posting any defamatory or rude stuff in SS. Maybe I just haven't been to the right place yet? People in SS from my experience are really great.

One note, I'd say that this poll should be placed under the forum for Singers Showcase as I believe that only people that are qualified and set up for SS should be able to vote and change the rules on it.

Bill

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